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Postby YFred » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:09 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:And how many TCs were sent to their death by your heros old chap?

You’ve been shamed again! :lol:

What?
I can't make out which incident this is, but assuming that it is the incident before the flag incident, which was followed by the killing of a mucahit, and critically injuring another. What is the relevance of this post to the subject matter. This was a border incident generated by the killed and his friends who put him up to it, killed in the struggle with panic and everything else that goes with a border incident.
I was referring to 10 policeman hospitalising two youths in a very calm situation when they were in complete control. Taken to court and being let of on account that they were untouchables. What's new, back in 63 again.
And all this in an EU country.
There is one thing that is shamed here and that is roc for letting him cross the border. Anybody else brave enough to try it, it's a free country as they say.
There is only one way forward and that is a peace agreement acceptable to both sides and we aint goin to get it if all I here is "TC don't have no land in cyprus, it all belongs to roc".
Well I said it before and I'll say it again, come and get it.


Fred, the prosecution has demanded an appeal and this case is being heard in the Supreme Court just now. You are jumping the gun a bit here.

Tim, the point I am making is what happened so far, I was aware of the appeal of the AG. The fact that such a thing can happen in an EU country?
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Postby YFred » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:15 am

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:And how many TCs were sent to their death by your heros old chap?

You’ve been shamed again! :lol:

What?
I can't make out which incident this is, but assuming that it is the incident before the flag incident, which was followed by the killing of a mucahit, and critically injuring another. What is the relevance of this post to the subject matter. This was a border incident generated by the killed and his friends who put him up to it, killed in the struggle with panic and everything else that goes with a border incident.
I was referring to 10 policeman hospitalising two youths in a very calm situation when they were in complete control. Taken to court and being let of on account that they were untouchables. What's new, back in 63 again.
And all this in an EU country.
There is one thing that is shamed here and that is roc for letting him cross the border. Anybody else brave enough to try it, it's a free country as they say.
There is only one way forward and that is a peace agreement acceptable to both sides and we aint goin to get it if all I here is "TC don't have no land in cyprus, it all belongs to roc".
Well I said it before and I'll say it again, come and get it.


Watch the video Yfred. There's 5 TC policemen beating an unconscious man to death. This was caught on tape, if you want I can give you first hand details of what happens inside a TC prison and a TC police station.

If this is the storming of the border and what followed, I am afraid I have no sympathy because that incident lead to the killing of another GC which lead to the killing of a TC and critically injuring a 4th.
There is a world of difference between the two cases.
There is no difference in what happens between the two communities whenever they have an opposite number in their establishments.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:16 am

YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:And how many TCs were sent to their death by your heros old chap?

You’ve been shamed again! :lol:

What?
I can't make out which incident this is, but assuming that it is the incident before the flag incident, which was followed by the killing of a mucahit, and critically injuring another. What is the relevance of this post to the subject matter. This was a border incident generated by the killed and his friends who put him up to it, killed in the struggle with panic and everything else that goes with a border incident.
I was referring to 10 policeman hospitalising two youths in a very calm situation when they were in complete control. Taken to court and being let of on account that they were untouchables. What's new, back in 63 again.
And all this in an EU country.
There is one thing that is shamed here and that is roc for letting him cross the border. Anybody else brave enough to try it, it's a free country as they say.
There is only one way forward and that is a peace agreement acceptable to both sides and we aint goin to get it if all I here is "TC don't have no land in cyprus, it all belongs to roc".
Well I said it before and I'll say it again, come and get it.


Fred, the prosecution has demanded an appeal and this case is being heard in the Supreme Court just now. You are jumping the gun a bit here.

Tim, the point I am making is what happened so far, I was aware of the appeal of the AG. The fact that such a thing can happen in an EU country?


Of course this incident was unacceptable. I do not think anybody is arguing otherwise.
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Postby YFred » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:24 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:And how many TCs were sent to their death by your heros old chap?

You’ve been shamed again! :lol:

What?
I can't make out which incident this is, but assuming that it is the incident before the flag incident, which was followed by the killing of a mucahit, and critically injuring another. What is the relevance of this post to the subject matter. This was a border incident generated by the killed and his friends who put him up to it, killed in the struggle with panic and everything else that goes with a border incident.
I was referring to 10 policeman hospitalising two youths in a very calm situation when they were in complete control. Taken to court and being let of on account that they were untouchables. What's new, back in 63 again.
And all this in an EU country.
There is one thing that is shamed here and that is roc for letting him cross the border. Anybody else brave enough to try it, it's a free country as they say.
There is only one way forward and that is a peace agreement acceptable to both sides and we aint goin to get it if all I here is "TC don't have no land in cyprus, it all belongs to roc".
Well I said it before and I'll say it again, come and get it.


Fred, the prosecution has demanded an appeal and this case is being heard in the Supreme Court just now. You are jumping the gun a bit here.

Tim, the point I am making is what happened so far, I was aware of the appeal of the AG. The fact that such a thing can happen in an EU country?


Of course this incident was unacceptable. I do not think anybody is arguing otherwise.

When it first came out, there were forumers that thought it was corect on a technicality.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:30 pm

YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:And how many TCs were sent to their death by your heros old chap?

You’ve been shamed again! :lol:

What?
I can't make out which incident this is, but assuming that it is the incident before the flag incident, which was followed by the killing of a mucahit, and critically injuring another. What is the relevance of this post to the subject matter. This was a border incident generated by the killed and his friends who put him up to it, killed in the struggle with panic and everything else that goes with a border incident.
I was referring to 10 policeman hospitalising two youths in a very calm situation when they were in complete control. Taken to court and being let of on account that they were untouchables. What's new, back in 63 again.
And all this in an EU country.
There is one thing that is shamed here and that is roc for letting him cross the border. Anybody else brave enough to try it, it's a free country as they say.
There is only one way forward and that is a peace agreement acceptable to both sides and we aint goin to get it if all I here is "TC don't have no land in cyprus, it all belongs to roc".
Well I said it before and I'll say it again, come and get it.


Fred, the prosecution has demanded an appeal and this case is being heard in the Supreme Court just now. You are jumping the gun a bit here.

Tim, the point I am making is what happened so far, I was aware of the appeal of the AG. The fact that such a thing can happen in an EU country?


Of course this incident was unacceptable. I do not think anybody is arguing otherwise.

When it first came out, there were forumers that thought it was corect on a technicality.


I think it is correct that people can be found not guilty if the weight of evidence is insufficient to convict them. This is what is meant by the rule of law. I do not think that anybody here can condone an act of police brutality of this nature.
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:56 pm

halil wrote:
to be a policeman in TRNC ....

a) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti Türk Vatandası olmak.( Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk .
b) 18 yasını tamamlamıs fakat 30 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.
between 18-30 years old
Üniversite mezunları için 35 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.(University graduates up to 35.)
c) Mesleğin gerektirdiği iyi ahlak ve karaktere sahip olmak; kumarbazlık,
sarhosluk ve uyusturucu madde kullanımı gibi kötü alıskanlıkları
olmamak.(should have good character)
d) En az lise veya dengi bir okul mezunu olmak.(at least graduate from LYce or equal level)
(Diplomanın aslı veya Eğitim Bakanlığından tasdikli fotokopisi
ibraz edilmelidir)
e) Askerlik hizmetini yerine getirmis olmak.(completed military service)
f) Sıhhatli olmak ve bedeni bakımdan Polis görevlerine uygun olmak.(Healty , bodily to suit police Work)
g) Boy itibarıyle 1.70 cm'den kısa olmamak. Boy ölçüsünün cm olarak
son iki rakamı ile kilosu arasında 1.75 cm’den yukarı olanlarda 15
kg., 1.75 cm’den kısa olanlarda 10 kg.’dan fazla fark olmayacak.
not less than 1.70 .

h) Yapılacak sınavlarda basarılı olmak.(have to pass exams)
i) Karakterine yansıyan herhangi bir suçtan hapis cezasına çarptırılmamıs
olmak,veya affa uğramıs olsalar dahi rüsvet, hırsızlık, dolandırıcılık,
sahtekarlık, irtikap hileli iflas ırza geçme ve benzeri yüz kızartıcı
suçlardan dolayı hüküm giymemis olmak.
j) Bir disiplin suçundan dolayı daha önce kamu görevinden
uzaklastırılmamıs olmak.

he/she shouldn't have any court case from stealing , blackmaling , crooking , smuggle , etc...etc...

http://www.khk.kamunet.net/docs/polis_munhal_1.pdf


Halil wrote: (Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk .



Well, what a "country" the north must be, which it can only be described as Racist, just as some of the TC forumers on this forum. Expatkiwi is so ashamed, I'm sure, to even have left out "and should be Turk" from his reply on page 2 to the above same Halil's post, for anyone in order to become a police officer in the north. So, if other "citizens" of the north are not a Turk, they cannot be a police officer and it is this Ottoman mentality that they want to bring into any BBF settlement, as the case was with the doomed 2004 Annan Plan, where all state jobs in the north would have required one to speak Turkish as well as give allegiance to Ataturk and not be allowed to vote, buy property, and only able to sell property to a Turk if the seller was not a Turk. The "trnc" has no desire to live with Human Rights afforded to it's own "citizens" it seems in what Halil wrote above, therefore all safeguards must be taken to make sure all citizens of Cyprus under BBF will have equal rights as anyone else and not afford more rights to anyone more than others, just because they are numerical minorities. These Racist ideology disgusts me to point of wanting to throw up.!

Halil wrote:he/she shouldn't have any court case from stealing , blackmaling , crooking , smuggle , etc...etc...


Considering the fact that the whole "trnc" is based on in violation of all of the above wrong doings and also actively participating in the above wrong doings ever since it's establishment, how can the north deny anyone a job to be a police officer, as long as one is a TURK, of course.!

The whole thing is a utter joke which must be shame staining all decent TCs in the north and abroad, because of the "Animal Farm" mentality run by the Racist Fascists of such an institution.

@ Expatkiwi,

Why did you leave out the words "and should be Turk" on page 2 in your response to Halil.??
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Postby YFred » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:40 pm

Kikapu wrote:
halil wrote:
to be a policeman in TRNC ....

a) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti Türk Vatandası olmak.( Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk .
b) 18 yasını tamamlamıs fakat 30 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.
between 18-30 years old
Üniversite mezunları için 35 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.(University graduates up to 35.)
c) Mesleğin gerektirdiği iyi ahlak ve karaktere sahip olmak; kumarbazlık,
sarhosluk ve uyusturucu madde kullanımı gibi kötü alıskanlıkları
olmamak.(should have good character)
d) En az lise veya dengi bir okul mezunu olmak.(at least graduate from LYce or equal level)
(Diplomanın aslı veya Eğitim Bakanlığından tasdikli fotokopisi
ibraz edilmelidir)
e) Askerlik hizmetini yerine getirmis olmak.(completed military service)
f) Sıhhatli olmak ve bedeni bakımdan Polis görevlerine uygun olmak.(Healty , bodily to suit police Work)
g) Boy itibarıyle 1.70 cm'den kısa olmamak. Boy ölçüsünün cm olarak
son iki rakamı ile kilosu arasında 1.75 cm’den yukarı olanlarda 15
kg., 1.75 cm’den kısa olanlarda 10 kg.’dan fazla fark olmayacak.
not less than 1.70 .

h) Yapılacak sınavlarda basarılı olmak.(have to pass exams)
i) Karakterine yansıyan herhangi bir suçtan hapis cezasına çarptırılmamıs
olmak,veya affa uğramıs olsalar dahi rüsvet, hırsızlık, dolandırıcılık,
sahtekarlık, irtikap hileli iflas ırza geçme ve benzeri yüz kızartıcı
suçlardan dolayı hüküm giymemis olmak.
j) Bir disiplin suçundan dolayı daha önce kamu görevinden
uzaklastırılmamıs olmak.

he/she shouldn't have any court case from stealing , blackmaling , crooking , smuggle , etc...etc...

http://www.khk.kamunet.net/docs/polis_munhal_1.pdf


Halil wrote: (Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk .



Well, what a "country" the north must be, which it can only be described as Racist, just as some of the TC forumers on this forum. Expatkiwi is so ashamed, I'm sure, to even have left out "and should be Turk" from his reply on page 2 to the above same Halil's post, for anyone in order to become a police officer in the north. So, if other "citizens" of the north are not a Turk, they cannot be a police officer and it is this Ottoman mentality that they want to bring into any BBF settlement, as the case was with the doomed 2004 Annan Plan, where all state jobs in the north would have required one to speak Turkish as well as give allegiance to Ataturk and not be allowed to vote, buy property, and only able to sell property to a Turk if the seller was not a Turk. The "trnc" has no desire to live with Human Rights afforded to it's own "citizens" it seems in what Halil wrote above, therefore all safeguards must be taken to make sure all citizens of Cyprus under BBF will have equal rights as anyone else and not afford more rights to anyone more than others, just because they are numerical minorities. These Racist ideology disgusts me to point of wanting to throw up.!

Halil wrote:he/she shouldn't have any court case from stealing , blackmaling , crooking , smuggle , etc...etc...


Considering the fact that the whole "trnc" is based on in violation of all of the above wrong doings and also actively participating in the above wrong doings ever since it's establishment, how can the north deny anyone a job to be a police officer, as long as one is a TURK, of course.!

The whole thing is a utter joke which must be shame staining all decent TCs in the north and abroad, because of the "Animal Farm" mentality run by the Racist Fascists of such an institution.

@ Expatkiwi,

Why did you leave out the words "and should be Turk" on page 2 in your response to Halil.??

You have some very valid points but you seemed to not be aware of some basic facts.
Sure any Citizen of any country should be a policeman if they are up to the job. The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:52 pm

Kikapu wrote:@ Expatkiwi,

Why did you leave out the words "and should be Turk" on page 2 in your response to Halil.??


Policemen of a country should be citizens of that country, but apart from educational and physical requirements, should not be restricted to any one ethnic group. I suppose that in the TRNC, all policemen should be able to understand and speak Turkish, but thats as far as it should go IMHO.
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Postby YFred » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:57 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Kikapu wrote:@ Expatkiwi,

Why did you leave out the words "and should be Turk" on page 2 in your response to Halil.??


Policemen of a country should be citizens of that country, but apart from educational and physical requirements, should not be restricted to any one ethnic group. I suppose that in the TRNC, all policemen should be able to understand and speak Turkish, but thats as far as it should go IMHO.

Once you come to Kickapoo's attention for questioning purposes, I warn you it is going to be tough, questions will be coming thick and fast, so be prepared for the avalanche. I hope you got some snow out there; otherwise this comment will not make any sense, like most of Kickapoo’s posts.
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:58 pm

Kikapu wrote:
halil wrote:
to be a policeman in TRNC ....

a) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti Türk Vatandası olmak.( Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk .
b) 18 yasını tamamlamıs fakat 30 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.
between 18-30 years old
Üniversite mezunları için 35 yasını tamamlamamıs olmak.(University graduates up to 35.)
c) Mesleğin gerektirdiği iyi ahlak ve karaktere sahip olmak; kumarbazlık,
sarhosluk ve uyusturucu madde kullanımı gibi kötü alıskanlıkları
olmamak.(should have good character)
d) En az lise veya dengi bir okul mezunu olmak.(at least graduate from LYce or equal level)
(Diplomanın aslı veya Eğitim Bakanlığından tasdikli fotokopisi
ibraz edilmelidir)
e) Askerlik hizmetini yerine getirmis olmak.(completed military service)
f) Sıhhatli olmak ve bedeni bakımdan Polis görevlerine uygun olmak.(Healty , bodily to suit police Work)
g) Boy itibarıyle 1.70 cm'den kısa olmamak. Boy ölçüsünün cm olarak
son iki rakamı ile kilosu arasında 1.75 cm’den yukarı olanlarda 15
kg., 1.75 cm’den kısa olanlarda 10 kg.’dan fazla fark olmayacak.
not less than 1.70 .

h) Yapılacak sınavlarda basarılı olmak.(have to pass exams)
i) Karakterine yansıyan herhangi bir suçtan hapis cezasına çarptırılmamıs
olmak,veya affa uğramıs olsalar dahi rüsvet, hırsızlık, dolandırıcılık,
sahtekarlık, irtikap hileli iflas ırza geçme ve benzeri yüz kızartıcı
suçlardan dolayı hüküm giymemis olmak.
j) Bir disiplin suçundan dolayı daha önce kamu görevinden
uzaklastırılmamıs olmak.

he/she shouldn't have any court case from stealing , blackmaling , crooking , smuggle , etc...etc...

http://www.khk.kamunet.net/docs/polis_munhal_1.pdf


Halil wrote: (Should be citizen of TRNC) and should be Turk .



Well, what a "country" the north must be, which it can only be described as Racist, just as some of the TC forumers on this forum. Expatkiwi is so ashamed, I'm sure, to even have left out "and should be Turk" from his reply on page 2 to the above same Halil's post, for anyone in order to become a police officer in the north. So, if other "citizens" of the north are not a Turk, they cannot be a police officer and it is this Ottoman mentality that they want to bring into any BBF settlement, as the case was with the doomed 2004 Annan Plan, where all state jobs in the north would have required one to speak Turkish as well as give allegiance to Ataturk and not be allowed to vote, buy property, and only able to sell property to a Turk if the seller was not a Turk. The "trnc" has no desire to live with Human Rights afforded to it's own "citizens" it seems in what Halil wrote above, therefore all safeguards must be taken to make sure all citizens of Cyprus under BBF will have equal rights as anyone else and not afford more rights to anyone more than others, just because they are numerical minorities. These Racist ideology disgusts me to point of wanting to throw up.!

Halil wrote:he/she shouldn't have any court case from stealing , blackmaling , crooking , smuggle , etc...etc...


Considering the fact that the whole "trnc" is based on in violation of all of the above wrong doings and also actively participating in the above wrong doings ever since it's establishment, how can the north deny anyone a job to be a police officer, as long as one is a TURK, of course.!

The whole thing is a utter joke which must be shame staining all decent TCs in the north and abroad, because of the "Animal Farm" mentality run by the Racist Fascists of such an institution.

@ Expatkiwi,

Why did you leave out the words "and should be Turk" on page 2 in your response to Halil.??

YFred wrote:You have some very valid points but you seemed to not be aware of some basic facts.Sure any Citizen of any country should be a policeman if they are up to the job.


Then lets stick to these valid points and not go off into other historic times as you have done, no matter how interesting they may be.!


YFred wrote: The problem arises when you attack the Ottomans for something which they were not.
It is very well recognised internationally that the Ottoman Police force in effect the Yenicheries were almost exclusively non-Turk (foreigners). It is also well known that the Queens which was the real power in them days as is now with the Turkish communities world over except Kazakhstan (Women ruled) were also of foreign extraction. Last but not least the Vezirs which was the next level down in terms of power were also from the empire - not a Turk.
Now t Turkish this and Turkish that lark started after the demise of the Ottoman empire.
So by all means enlighten and amuse us with your thoughts but at least get the core subject matter correct please.


My reference to "Ottoman Mentality" was meant for the privileges given to Turks over others, even in the same country amongst their other fellow citizens who are not Turks, that’s all.!
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