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[Malapapa]

Great Britain, a guarantor power of Cypriot sovereignty, keeps going on and on and on about wanting to help solve the Cyprus problem.

"I urge the Turkish government to honour the commitments that it has already made. We would like to see the ports opened, we'd like to see them making that commitment again and seeing action rather than just words," is the latest statement from Britain's Europe Minister Chris Bryant.

Well, I urge the British government to honour the commitments that it has already made.

O Great Britain, o great nuclear power, how about we see actions from you rather than just words?

Time to put your sovereign bases on Cyprus to good use before they are consigned to the dustbin of history. Time to honour your commitments to Cyprus as you did to Poland in 1939. Time to give Turkey an ultimatum.

"If Her Majesty's Government has not received satisfactory assurances from Turkey, by 25 December 2009, of the withdrawal of its occupying forces from the north of Cyprus, a state of war should exist between Great Britain and Turkey."

Otherwise, shut up... because, after 35 years of renaging on your treaty obligations, your urges towards Turkey are sounding ridiculous.

[Oracle]

"I urge the Turkish government to honour the commitments that it has already made. We would like to see the ports opened, we'd like to see them making that commitment again and seeing action rather than just words," is the latest statement from Britain's Europe Minister Chris Bryant.

What "commitments" has Turkey already made? Perhaps Mr Bryant is being too generous.

They should stop calling on Turkey for opening ports or recognising the RoC because their opinion should mean nothing to the EU! Who cares what Turkey thinks? The problem has been the wrongful actions by Turkey in invading and occupying Cyprus and that is the only "commitment" of Turkey which needs reversing.

The UK's excuse in 1974 was that they did not have the financial resources to help the RoC ... (lack of hindrance would have sufficed ). And guess what, they will use that excuse again if asked to commit their (Billion-costing) Afghan-based or Iraq-based troops to something more worthwhile and closer to home which is a real threat to homeland security ... the presence of Turks (as drug dealers, human traffickers, law-breakers, HR violators) with easier inroads into EU countries.

It's not the limping UK we need assistance from; it's a combined EU Force ....

[Tim Drayton]

There is a large body of circumstantial evidence which suggests that the events of 1974 in Cyprus were engineered by Henry Kissinger, undoubtedly because this suited US regional interests. Following president Obama's visit to Turkey this April, there have been sharp shifts in certain areas of Turkey's foreign policy. For example, the swift resumption of normal diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia would have seemed inconceivable, particularly without a solution of the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute. But it is now more or less a done deal. The point is that whatever suits the interests of the dominant world power, the USA, in the region will happen, especially when one of America's close strategic allies, Turkey, is involved. I think one has to delve a little deeper beneath pious UN resolutions to which everyone pays lip service but are never actually acted on to the deeper truth that Turkey is probably doing exactly what is required of it by the major world powers, to further their own regional interests. I would not look to Britian too much nowadays, as this once mighty colonial power has been reduced to the status of America's poodle. All the strings are held in Washington's hands, in my view. The Turkish ocupation of part of Cyprus could be ended with one phone call from Washington to Ankara; no nuclear war is needed. But, in spite of evidence that America is adopting a fresh approach to the region, and to the role it envisages for Turkey, I see no signs of any rethinking when it comes to Cyprus. This worries me a little.

[AWE]

Great Britain, a guarantor power of Cypriot sovereignty, keeps going on and on and on about wanting to help solve the Cyprus problem.

"I urge the Turkish government to honour the commitments that it has already made. We would like to see the ports opened, we'd like to see them making that commitment again and seeing action rather than just words," is the latest statement from Britain's Europe Minister Chris Bryant.

Well, I urge the British government to honour the commitments that it has already made.

O Great Britain, o great nuclear power, how about we see actions from you rather than just words?

Time to put your sovereign bases on Cyprus to good use before they are consigned to the dustbin of history. Time to honour your commitments to Cyprus as you did to Poland in 1939. Time to give Turkey an ultimatum.

"If Her Majesty's Government has not received satisfactory assurances from Turkey, by 25 December 2009, of the withdrawal of its occupying forces from the north of Cyprus, a state of war should exist between Great Britain and Turkey."

Otherwise, shut up... because, after 35 years of renaging on your treaty obligations, your urges towards Turkey are sounding ridiculous.

I fear that as the US, UK, France, Russia, China and even Greece have not gone to war on behalf of the RoC that shouting louder and demanding action is not going to work. The fact is World could not give fig about Cyprus or the Cyprus problem as it does not destabilise the region.

So in order to get their attention acts of violence might be called for; do Hamas and fire rockets in to the north, or an IRA and start a bombing campaign in Turkey, or (has been advocated by some members here) shoot down a Turkish Airliner flying in to Ercan... short of this the World does not care and the fine words are mealy platitudes.

[Oracle]

The EU is the emerging Superpower. The USA is now limited and in decline.

The EU has a larger population. Its economy will leave the USA crippled; struggling to enforce its defunct dollars.

Now we have established a post of President. And with the office of the European Union Military Staff, responsible for strategic planning, having accomplished several military operations; the EUMS has "become a key player in the development of the European Security and Defence Policy.” (in their own words).

It is the EU Military which will kick out the Turks (and the USA) from Cyprus-EU...

[humanist]

Her Majesty probably ordered the Turkish invasion and the same way she did that she can impose economic sanctions on Turkey till all of Turkish troops have been withdrawn from Cyprus. In the meantime Greek forces ought to also get ready to move, the national Guard along with the TC army need to prepare to dismantle and Cyprus should unite free of military forces.

In the meantime the British need to stop the hypocritical hhooohhha and impose economic sanctions on Turkey along with all of Europe... then Turkey is Turkey wants EU membership then she should be given the opportunity to apply for it like a civilised country.

[AWE]

The EU is the emerging Superpower. The USA is now limited and in decline.

The EU has a larger population. Its economy will leave the USA crippled; struggling to enforce its defunct dollars.

Now we have established a post of President. And with the office of the European Union Military Staff, responsible for strategic planning, having accomplished several military operations; the EUMS has "become a key player in the development of the European Security and Defence Policy.” (in their own words).

It is the EU Military which will kick out the Turks (and the USA) from Cyprus-EU...

good luck don't hold your breath:

As regards military capabilities, the EU has set itself the goal of being able to deploy by 2003 a force of up to 60,000 personnel within 60 days, and to sustain it on the ground for at least one year, for the purposes of humanitarian and rescue tasks, peacekeeping, and crisis management – including peace-making. It should be noted that the military and defence dimension of the EU does not include territorial defence. The Defence commitment in Article 5 in the Western European Union Treaty was not taken over by the EU when other Western European Union functions were subsumed in the EU at the beginning of 2002. Yet a number of other aspects of broader security concern are increasingly on the agenda of the EU institutions, particularly after September 11.

In practice, preventing conflicts and managing crises requires a combination of civilian and military instruments. The EU member states for example decided at the European Council in Lisbon in June 2000, to be able by 2003 to provide up to 5000 police officers for international missions.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ope/eu.htm

And from the same source here is the kicker:

Relevant policy areas in this field include: security of supply and energy stock reserves, the Single European Sky, GALILEO, protection of critical infrastructure, cybercrime, air transport and aircraft security.

So Turkey is about to be attacked as it is becoming an energy transit hub, by the 5000 police officer.

[insan]

Great Britain, a guarantor power of Cypriot sovereignty, keeps going on and on and on about wanting to help solve the Cyprus problem.

"I urge the Turkish government to honour the commitments that it has already made. We would like to see the ports opened, we'd like to see them making that commitment again and seeing action rather than just words," is the latest statement from Britain's Europe Minister Chris Bryant.

Well, I urge the British government to honour the commitments that it has already made.

O Great Britain, o great nuclear power, how about we see actions from you rather than just words?

Time to put your sovereign bases on Cyprus to good use before they are consigned to the dustbin of history. Time to honour your commitments to Cyprus as you did to Poland in 1939. Time to give Turkey an ultimatum.

"If Her Majesty's Government has not received satisfactory assurances from Turkey, by 25 December 2009, of the withdrawal of its occupying forces from the north of Cyprus, a state of war should exist between Great Britain and Turkey."

Otherwise, shut up... because, after 35 years of renaging on your treaty obligations, your urges towards Turkey are sounding ridiculous.

Kids in action.

[Cap]

'guarantor power' HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Oracle]

The EU is the emerging Superpower. The USA is now limited and in decline.

The EU has a larger population. Its economy will leave the USA crippled; struggling to enforce its defunct dollars.

Now we have established a post of President. And with the office of the European Union Military Staff, responsible for strategic planning, having accomplished several military operations; the EUMS has "become a key player in the development of the European Security and Defence Policy.” (in their own words).

It is the EU Military which will kick out the Turks (and the USA) from Cyprus-EU...

good luck don't hold your breath:

As regards military capabilities, the EU has set itself the goal of being able to deploy by 2003 a force of up to 60,000 personnel within 60 days, and to sustain it on the ground for at least one year, for the purposes of humanitarian and rescue tasks, peacekeeping, and crisis management – including peace-making. It should be noted that the military and defence dimension of the EU does not include territorial defence. The Defence commitment in Article 5 in the Western European Union Treaty was not taken over by the EU when other Western European Union functions were subsumed in the EU at the beginning of 2002. Yet a number of other aspects of broader security concern are increasingly on the agenda of the EU institutions, particularly after September 11.

In practice, preventing conflicts and managing crises requires a combination of civilian and military instruments. The EU member states for example decided at the European Council in Lisbon in June 2000, to be able by 2003 to provide up to 5000 police officers for international missions.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ope/eu.htm

And from the same source here is the kicker:

Relevant policy areas in this field include: security of supply and energy stock reserves, the Single European Sky, GALILEO, protection of critical infrastructure, cybercrime, air transport and aircraft security.

So Turkey is about to be attacked as it is becoming an energy transit hub, by the 5000 police officer.

Thank you for the (outdated) retrospective of the early days when the EU military was being discussed/initiated. But, I am referring to 2009 and the (near) future. Do you really think the EU is standing still?