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[paliometoxo]

yes some of them died trying to help

[vaughanwilliams]

Trying to help the coupists?

[Oracle]

Trying to help the coupists?

Like some died trying to help Britain keep Cyprus colonised.

Just because there are some with different views, it does not excuse a whole country (Turkey or Britain) occupying another country (Cyprus) against the wishes of the majority (GCs) and in violation of Human Rights.

But you don't appreciate moral rationality.

[paliometoxo]

Trying to help the coupists?

no... neither first time or second time turkey sent the troops and continued to invade after there was no cupe and after sampson resigned they still carried on to invade... but no i mean to help keep turky away..

just like english sat back and did nothing as long as they have their bases they are ok.. hiering tcs for police and cerfues on the island where it was not their place.. england came bering gifts and promising to help cyprus when all they wanted was army here.. england has done about as much good to cyprus as turkey has done

what did you expect cypriots to do when england came and ruled cyprus and wanted their inepdendance? to not try fight for freedom for their land?

they where right to fight off the english for their land. the british are no better then the turks pretending to care about cyprus for any other reason then military presance. and you english who come buy our stolen land even after the invasion these decades later.

[YFred]

Trying to help the coupists?

Vaughan W stop calling Oracle's heros coupists. They were very nice people.

[vaughanwilliams]

Paliometoxic,

Why do you think we colonised your country and not the other way around?
The same reason we colonised most of the rest of the world. Because we could get up in the morning and go out and do it, not sit on our arses all day drinking coffee and complaining we had a raw deal.

[AWE]

[Did you see the bit about territorial defence not being included in the mandate?

And I told you your sources are out of date, so who cares!






“The European Union Military Staff (EUMS) performs early warning; strategic planning; and situation assessment.

As the EU is conducting its sixth military operation, the EUMS has become a key player in the development of the European Security and Defence Policy.”

The EUMS is a General Directorate within the Council General Secretariat.

It is the only permanent integrated military structure of the European Union.
Established on 11 June 2001, the EU Military Staff receives taskings from the EU Military Committee (which represents the Chiefs of Defence of all the Member States).

The EUMS provides in-house military expertise for the Secretary-General/High Representative (SG/HR).

The main operational functions of EUMS are:

early warning,
situation assessment, and
strategic planning.

Source: Council of the European Union

and your up to date source still lacks anything about territorial defence.

in a conventional war an attacking force will generally need a 3 to 1 superiority to overcome the defenders - so assuming the EU can deploy 130,00 troops in Cyprus without Turkey noticing and doing anything about it what make anyone think the EU nations will want to sacrifice 90,000 of their people for the RoC?

[paliometoxo]

Paliometoxic,

Why do you think we colonised your country and not the other way around?
The same reason we colonised most of the rest of the world. Because we could get up in the morning and go out and do it, not sit on our arses all day drinking coffee and complaining we had a raw deal.

of course if you can why not take over as many countries as you can...

americans to this day celebrate the independance from england dont they? lots more countries.. but which one of those countries sat back while england tried tot ake the countries that they did or did take over? not one of them did not rebel for their freedom and england has always left in the end.. just as they will with cyprus slowly giving us more bases until they have nothing left..

but you where saying why should of england come to help in 1974 since eoka where killing them... well thats why they where killing them and england as a garantore power was usless they are just as bad if not worse then turkey

[Simon]

Britain certainly should have come to Cyprus' aid in 1974, and a British Select Committee stated as much.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4dot ... on&f=false

If you read at the bottom of page 160, it clearly states that the Select Committee "decided that Britain had the legal right, a moral obligation and the military capacity to intervene, but did not do so. Britain had considerable forces at hand, and could have intervened with or without Turkey, to reverse the coup and had little doubt that either alone or as part of a UN force, Britain could have forestalled the first Turkish invasion."

Britain failed in its obligation to Cyprus. However, we must not forget the role of the US. Britain was actually willing to threaten Turkey with war in 1974, but the US warned them against such an action, and Britain feared another Suez if they went in without US support. So once again, it appears we are back to that cretin Kissinger, who has so much to answer for in Cyprus.

[Oracle]

Paliometoxic,

Why do you think we colonised your country and not the other way around?

Because your climate is shit and you were always looking for something better?

All had different reasons for "colonising".

.... But I wonder why (along with the Turks) you were amongst the last to build an Empire? Slow development, perhaps? Needed to be shown the ropes by more forward thinking nations?