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Britain to declare war on Turkey?

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Postby AWE » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:45 pm

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:The EU is the emerging Superpower. The USA is now limited and in decline.

The EU has a larger population. Its economy will leave the USA crippled; struggling to enforce its defunct dollars.

Now we have established a post of President. And with the office of the European Union Military Staff, responsible for strategic planning, having accomplished several military operations; the EUMS has "become a key player in the development of the European Security and Defence Policy.” (in their own words).

It is the EU Military which will kick out the Turks (and the USA) from Cyprus-EU...


good luck don't hold your breath:

As regards military capabilities, the EU has set itself the goal of being able to deploy by 2003 a force of up to 60,000 personnel within 60 days, and to sustain it on the ground for at least one year, for the purposes of humanitarian and rescue tasks, peacekeeping, and crisis management – including peace-making. It should be noted that the military and defence dimension of the EU does not include territorial defence. The Defence commitment in Article 5 in the Western European Union Treaty was not taken over by the EU when other Western European Union functions were subsumed in the EU at the beginning of 2002. Yet a number of other aspects of broader security concern are increasingly on the agenda of the EU institutions, particularly after September 11.

In practice, preventing conflicts and managing crises requires a combination of civilian and military instruments. The EU member states for example decided at the European Council in Lisbon in June 2000, to be able by 2003 to provide up to 5000 police officers for international missions.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ope/eu.htm

And from the same source here is the kicker:

Relevant policy areas in this field include: security of supply and energy stock reserves, the Single European Sky, GALILEO, protection of critical infrastructure, cybercrime, air transport and aircraft security.

So Turkey is about to be attacked as it is becoming an energy transit hub, by the 5000 police officer. :wink:


Thank you for the (outdated) retrospective of the early days when the EU military was being discussed/initiated. But, I am referring to 2009 and the (near) future. Do you really think the EU is standing still? :lol:


Did you see the bit about territorial defence not being included in the mandate?

It should be noted that the military and defence dimension of the EU does not include territorial defence.


As I said good luck convincing the French, Germans, Spanish, Italians, UK etc to deploy in Cyprus.

As to the new "President" he will do as he is told to by the big EU powers and the High Commissioner only speak for the EU when they have unanimity on Foreign Policy.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:34 pm

AWE wrote:[Did you see the bit about territorial defence not being included in the mandate?


And I told you your sources are out of date, so who cares! :roll:



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“The European Union Military Staff (EUMS) performs early warning; strategic planning; and situation assessment.

As the EU is conducting its sixth military operation, the EUMS has become a key player in the development of the European Security and Defence Policy.”

The EUMS is a General Directorate within the Council General Secretariat.

It is the only permanent integrated military structure of the European Union.
Established on 11 June 2001, the EU Military Staff receives taskings from the EU Military Committee (which represents the Chiefs of Defence of all the Member States).

The EUMS provides in-house military expertise for the Secretary-General/High Representative (SG/HR).

The main operational functions of EUMS are:

early warning,
situation assessment, and
strategic planning.

Source: Council of the European Union
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Postby Expatkiwi » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:44 pm

Oracle,

If you've read the same number of military and military-inputted geopolitical papers as I have, then I don't think you'd be too proud of this EU force. It sounds good on paper, but without proper leadership, it would be nothing more than a paper tiger.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:09 pm

There’s not a doubt that the EU is the emerging future superpower… something that was predicted and written about from the 50s and 60s by some clear-headed individuals who could see it coming.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:12 pm

Get Real! wrote:There’s not a doubt that the EU is the emerging future superpower… something that was predicted and written about from the 50s and 60s by some clear-headed individuals who could see it coming.


The trouble though is that clout only works if there is the political will to use it.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:22 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Get Real! wrote:There’s not a doubt that the EU is the emerging future superpower… something that was predicted and written about from the 50s and 60s by some clear-headed individuals who could see it coming.


The trouble though is that clout only works if there is the political will to use it.

Forming an amalgamation of three dozen countries is no easy task and so far the EU has done pretty good in streamlining a set of values/ethics, currency, economy, and much more.

Once you’ve got all that sorted out then the next likely steps may include a military force which has already somewhat started with EU members attending the military parades of others in a show of support (just a token force).

It’s coming though…
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Re: Britain to declare war on Turkey?

Postby Malapapa » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:50 pm

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Malapapa wrote:Great Britain, a guarantor power of Cypriot sovereignty, keeps going on and on and on about wanting to help solve the Cyprus problem.

"I urge the Turkish government to honour the commitments that it has already made. We would like to see the ports opened, we'd like to see them making that commitment again and seeing action rather than just words," is the latest statement from Britain's Europe Minister Chris Bryant.

Well, I urge the British government to honour the commitments that it has already made.

O Great Britain, o great nuclear power, how about we see actions from you rather than just words?

Time to put your sovereign bases on Cyprus to good use before they are consigned to the dustbin of history. Time to honour your commitments to Cyprus as you did to Poland in 1939. Time to give Turkey an ultimatum.

"If Her Majesty's Government has not received satisfactory assurances from Turkey, by 25 December 2009, of the withdrawal of its occupying forces from the north of Cyprus, a state of war should exist between Great Britain and Turkey."

Otherwise, shut up... because, after 35 years of renaging on your treaty obligations, your urges towards Turkey are sounding ridiculous.


Kids in action. :lol:


What are you on about? Which kids? What action? You're not obliged to say anything, if you've not anything to say.
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Postby Acikgoz » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:16 pm

I am amazed the flack the Brits get. If it wasn't for them the GC and TCs would still be ploughing the fields and getting real with the sheep. Think how many of the key individuals got their education in the UK.

Think of the cornerstone of the furtherment the UK provided but instead everyone is a whipping boy for the GCs, blame everyone else but yourselves. Stop dragging your heels at the negotiating table and find the compromise that can work for the 2 communities instead of baying for the blood of others to further your uncompromising thirst for domination.

War is economics - the EU has far to go before it can assert itself militarily. Only if you can drink from the bowl is it worth playing, it will be at least a couple of generations before the EU can think and act in unison if ever.

Never heard such mind boggling nonsense.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:31 pm

Acikgoz wrote:I am amazed the flack the Brits get. If it wasn't for them the GC and TCs would still be ploughing the fields and getting real with the sheep. Think how many of the key individuals got their education in the UK.

Think of the cornerstone of the furtherment the UK provided but instead everyone is a whipping boy for the GCs, blame everyone else but yourselves. Stop dragging your heels at the negotiating table and find the compromise that can work for the 2 communities instead of baying for the blood of others to further your uncompromising thirst for domination.

War is economics - the EU has far to go before it can assert itself militarily. Only if you can drink from the bowl is it worth playing, it will be at least a couple of generations before the EU can think and act in unison if ever.

Never heard such mind boggling nonsense.


I suggest you move to some "location" where the activity of thinking is not embargoed ...
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Postby Acikgoz » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:35 pm

Blood hungry Oracle is, really blood hungry, can someone satisfy the lust and craving!!!
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