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Postby bill cobbett » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:16 pm

Acikgoz wrote:With respect repulse,

I do not defend any nation that condones violence. No country in the region hasn't gotten their hands dirty at one stage or another. I do not condone the theft of any land. But before land comes life in my book, TCs did not end up with any more land than they have left behind.

The situation is not easy, compromise is necessary on both sides if there is to be any healing, BUT

what anyone really observing can see in the animosity continually shown by GCs even pre-1974 towards TCs and continues to be perpetuated by freaks like Oracle and Get Real, Aopel FC, the Church, and every action taken by the GC govt, they are a real danger to life and freedom of TCs.

Can anyone honestly say the TCs have the same bloodlust vis-a-vis the other side of the border? Think how much time and energy TCs place into defending themselves, they are truly passive in comparison. Manyana is the mantra - or technically "gorelim."

Unsure but trusting, they voted yes in 2004.

I look at the ECHR judgements and see the TCs couldn't even muster the intelligence to protest to the quality of the title for which the GC plaintifs are suing - and trying to introduce it at a later stage is simply being rejected by the court.

By looking at the cumulative actions of the GCs they show themselves to be calculating manipulative neighbours. How can you both have lost your land (like the GCs) and have your rights usurped (unlike the GCS)and yet find yourself under embargoes (unlike the GCS) - and or the mad ones that want to lash out at Turkey again, the isolation did not start in 1974 with Turkey intervening, they were placed by GCs on TCs years before!

It's no speech, I respect the Greek people I meet from Athens, I laughed when they shared their view that Papad was a maniac. Turkey another country I respect. Both nations are getting on, buying companies in each others countries, finding ways of working together, learning each others' languages and compromising despite their various issues.

It is a curse but I love my country and my people are beautiful, they have suffered much and continue to suffer, but at least they are alive. God help us if we fall into the hands of GCs again as every action they take is the action only your worst enemy would take.


Suggest you join the other CYs and send the bill for your alleged losses through the ECHR to Turkey.
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Postby Acikgoz » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:24 pm

Unfortunately can't afford the cost of a fair trial not do I have the political clout.

At least this is free and I didn't seem to have to belong to the same Church to join.
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Postby bill cobbett » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:54 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Unfortunately can't afford the cost of a fair trial not do I have the political clout.

At least this is free and I didn't seem to have to belong to the same Church to join.


Ahah! ..... Cases brought before the ECHR can cost nothing if you take a do it yourself route.

If you wish to do it properly, by engaging solicitors and barristers, the ECHR has a legal aid scheme.

In the last case referred to above, Mrs Ioarnadou got her judgment with use of this ECHR Legal Aid Assistance scheme.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:17 pm

Acikgoz wrote:I look at the ECHR judgements and see the TCs couldn't even muster the intelligence to protest to the quality of the title for which the GC plaintifs are suing...

It’s called a natural selection process first coined by Darwin! :D
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Postby bill cobbett » Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:20 pm

For those of our tissy friends who wish to take Turkey to the ECHR for screwing up their lives, you can download the Application Pack from the ECHR here ....

http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/85 ... P0pack.pdf

(also available in Turkish)
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Postby Acikgoz » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:17 pm

Had a quick skim through, it is obvious that you have placed both thought and effort into it. Thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts - probably get back after the week-end, a little family time coming up.

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Postby Acikgoz » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:11 pm

Hi R.,
Had a peruse of the statements you made and there are many considered pargmatic thoughts there. In principle most TCs would not have problems with the broad strokes you have put forward, so I am curious whether they are appealing to the GCs out there.

Life is what you make it, there should be no reason why people with such similar cultures couldn't move forward together, other than the people themselves.
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Postby Acikgoz » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:18 pm

Bill,

Unfortunately no day in court for TCs at ECHR, Cyprus v Nezire Sofi case. The imminent hearing at the ECHR made the GC's to fully settle Sofi's demands out of court, also accepting they had breached Sofi's human rights.
Did provide one good precedent, that ECHR finally accepted to hear the case on the basis that Sofi had no effective local remedy.
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Postby bill cobbett » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:26 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Bill,

Unfortunately no day in court for TCs at ECHR, Cyprus v Nezire Sofi case. The imminent hearing at the ECHR made the GC's to fully settle Sofi's demands out of court, also accepting they had breached Sofi's human rights.
Did provide one good precedent, that ECHR finally accepted to hear the case on the basis that Sofi had no effective local remedy.


Pleased to hear that Mr Sofi has made his point mate.

Can you post your sources, so that we may see the wider implications for all tissies please.

Need to look in to your last claim regarding the ECHR taking on the case as there was no effective local remedy.
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