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[denizaksulu]

I did not read most of the above on account that it is Italic and unreadable. However the word Hatred I noticed. You are out of your mind. I lived in Cyprus during 63 and 67 troubles and and I was at school. Even in those years I don't remember such a poem. We do have a national anthem in TRNC. It is called Mucahitler marsi.
and it goes like this.



Bir kıvılcım parlıyor
Mücahidin içinde
Türklük ateşidir bu
Yoktur dünya yüzünde

Kıbrıs yunan olmaz
Türk Mücahit duramaz
Ya Türk Kıbrıs var olur
Ya mücahit Yaşamaz

Gelse Yunan dizilse
Dünya peşinden gelse
Mücahitler ölmeden
Bu topraklar verilmez

Kıbrıs Yunan olmaz
Türk Mücahit duramaz
Ya Türk Kıbrıs var olur
Ya Mücahit Yaşamaz

All I see in it is anti Enosis, no word hatred. You really out did yourself this time.

I remember the poem 'Nefret' only because it was posted on the CF. I had never heard of it before hand.

The Mucahitler Marsi I remember very well, as I was one of the band who played it for the first time in 1964. ( I believe composed by Yilmaz Taner our band director.)

[CopperLine]

It is something of an irony that there we have a thread about human rights in northern Cyprus in which many posters decry (rightly in my view) the human rights violations which occur daily, whilst on the other hand there is also a thread alleging that northern Cyprus is really that isolated after all. The kinds of instances of human rights violations is directly related to the isolation of northern Cyprus.

A few examples can be given. The violation of the right to enjoy one's property - at the heart of GC property claims before ECHR & ECJ - is a direct function of the isolating of the north. If the north were not isolated then complainants could readily resolve their claims locally.
The violation of human rights of sex workers in the brothels and clubs of north, by men of all nationalities including GCs, continues on such a scale precisely because the TRNC is isolated and not subject to separate investigations of its sex and trafficking industry by human rights organisations.
The violation of workers' rights, say in the construction industry, in terms of the rights to organise and associate and to safe and healthy conditions continues apace because, in large part, international trade union organisations and ILO-type organisations are prevented from acting in the TRNC because of the embargo.
The violation of rights of freedom of expression (eg criticising the idiocies of Ataturk worship) continue in popular culture as well as in the media and education because the isolation forces an ever closer integration with Turkey.

I wish TCs would assert their independence from Turkey with greater conviction than they do, but I understand what constrains them from doing so. I wish northern Cyprus's human rights record was far better than it has been, but the isolation of northern Cyprus has been a powerful contributor to the violation of TC human rights and to the ineffective monitoring of violations and the inability to prosecute human rights violations within TRNC or through international courts.

Those who are genuinely concerned about human rights violations in the north might stop a minute just to reflect on what the effect of isolation has had on increasing the violations or bolstering the feeling of impunity amongst human rights abusers.

[Oracle]

It is precisely because a separate "north" was established upon the backbone of gross Human Rights violations that it has generated an ethos for continuing obliviousness to seeking justice against these crimes. After all, wouldn't they be displaying double standards?

The north does not have to be "isolated" but it is the will of Turkey that it remains under its "guardianship".

Let the RoC have the north back, to remove the original sin, and the problems will be tackled according to EU procedures ...

[YFred]

It is something of an irony that there we have a thread about human rights in northern Cyprus in which many posters decry (rightly in my view) the human rights violations which occur daily, whilst on the other hand there is also a thread alleging that northern Cyprus is really that isolated after all. The kinds of instances of human rights violations is directly related to the isolation of northern Cyprus.

A few examples can be given. The violation of the right to enjoy one's property - at the heart of GC property claims before ECHR & ECJ - is a direct function of the isolating of the north. If the north were not isolated then complainants could readily resolve their claims locally.
The violation of human rights of sex workers in the brothels and clubs of north, by men of all nationalities including GCs, continues on such a scale precisely because the TRNC is isolated and not subject to separate investigations of its sex and trafficking industry by human rights organisations.
The violation of workers' rights, say in the construction industry, in terms of the rights to organise and associate and to safe and healthy conditions continues apace because, in large part, international trade union organisations and ILO-type organisations are prevented from acting in the TRNC because of the embargo.
The violation of rights of freedom of expression (eg criticising the idiocies of Ataturk worship) continue in popular culture as well as in the media and education because the isolation forces an ever closer integration with Turkey.

I wish TCs would assert their independence from Turkey with greater conviction than they do, but I understand what constrains them from doing so. I wish northern Cyprus's human rights record was far better than it has been, but the isolation of northern Cyprus has been a powerful contributor to the violation of TC human rights and to the ineffective monitoring of violations and the inability to prosecute human rights violations within TRNC or through international courts.

Those who are genuinely concerned about human rights violations in the north might stop a minute just to reflect on what the effect of isolation has had on increasing the violations or bolstering the feeling of impunity amongst human rights abusers.

Thank you Copperline, now be prepared for being accused of passing the buck by our GC nationalists on this forum. I hope your pocket is full of short change.

[YFred]

It is precisely because a separate "north" was established upon the backbone of gross Human Rights violations that it has generated an ethos for continuing obliviousness to seeking justice against these crimes. After all, wouldn't they be displaying double standards?

The north does not have to be "isolated" but it is the will of Turkey that it remains under its "guardianship".

Let the RoC have the north back, to remove the original sin, and the problems will be tackled according to EU procedures ...

Wouldn't you just love that. Shall we bend over just 45 degrees or the full 90 for you my dear.

[YFred]

I did not read most of the above on account that it is Italic and unreadable.

I doubt you read anything from the links posted despite wanting to have a dumb say about everything! Will you ever stop making a dork of yourself?

Yes sir, No sir, three bags full sir, to you sunshine.
Are you telling me you can read that with comfort?

Particularly insulting post on account that it's only few months ago that the roc administration saw fit to ban the phrase "The only good Turk is a dead Turk" from military training amongst its own ranks.

[Get Real!]

Those who are genuinely concerned about human rights violations in the north might stop a minute just to reflect on what the effect of isolation has had on increasing the violations or bolstering the feeling of impunity amongst human rights abusers.

You can only blame the international community for that for not imposing embargoes on Turkey to abide by decades-old UN resolutions that call upon Turkey’s dismantling of this illegal territory/regime and military withdrawal.

Had the Security Council put its actions where its mouth is, none of this would’ve ever happened.

[Talisker]

It is something of an irony that there we have a thread about human rights in northern Cyprus in which many posters decry (rightly in my view) the human rights violations which occur daily, whilst on the other hand there is also a thread alleging that northern Cyprus is really that isolated after all. The kinds of instances of human rights violations is directly related to the isolation of northern Cyprus.

A few examples can be given. The violation of the right to enjoy one's property - at the heart of GC property claims before ECHR & ECJ - is a direct function of the isolating of the north. If the north were not isolated then complainants could readily resolve their claims locally.
The violation of human rights of sex workers in the brothels and clubs of north, by men of all nationalities including GCs, continues on such a scale precisely because the TRNC is isolated and not subject to separate investigations of its sex and trafficking industry by human rights organisations.
The violation of workers' rights, say in the construction industry, in terms of the rights to organise and associate and to safe and healthy conditions continues apace because, in large part, international trade union organisations and ILO-type organisations are prevented from acting in the TRNC because of the embargo.
The violation of rights of freedom of expression (eg criticising the idiocies of Ataturk worship) continue in popular culture as well as in the media and education because the isolation forces an ever closer integration with Turkey.

I wish TCs would assert their independence from Turkey with greater conviction than they do, but I understand what constrains them from doing so. I wish northern Cyprus's human rights record was far better than it has been, but the isolation of northern Cyprus has been a powerful contributor to the violation of TC human rights and to the ineffective monitoring of violations and the inability to prosecute human rights violations within TRNC or through international courts.

Those who are genuinely concerned about human rights violations in the north might stop a minute just to reflect on what the effect of isolation has had on increasing the violations or bolstering the feeling of impunity amongst human rights abusers.

Copperline, this is a really interesting and reflective post. I've regularly visited Cyprus for over 20 years, but never been to the occupied north and am therefore curious to know more about it. In fact, it seems quite difficult to find information about human rights (or lack of) in the occupied area on the web, presumably because of 'isolation', and the fact the regime is not internationally accepted, and therefore not subjected to the usual scrutiny of human rights organisations. Indeed, the respective Amnesty International reports from 2009 on human rights for Cyprus (http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/cyprus/report-2009) and Turkey (http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/turkey/report-2009) do not contain information relating to the regime and society in the north, and there is no separate report summarising the human rights situation there. If one reads these reports one would hope that the majority of TCs would prefer to live within a society aspiring to the relatively good record of the Cypriots rather than the repressive and discriminatory situation reported for Turkey.

[insan]

Here is the human rights report of whole Cyprus in 2008 by Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/20 ... 119074.htm

[Get Real!]

Here is the human rights report of whole Cyprus in 2008 by Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/20 ... 119074.htm

That's just American crap.