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[paliometoxo]

what human rights in the north? there is no such thing

[YFred]

So the roc is fully conversant and compliant to all these lovely rules you have just mentioned above, are they?

Was that just before or just after they put the TCs through the mincing machine? Did somebody stand near them and read to them their rights?

What about the two boys that were beaten up by the police, was their rights respected in the roc before or after the police were found innocent of the crimes they committed by the justice system.

Maybe the poor Sudanese girl, who got attacked by your 50 bravest students, was her rights respected by your justice system, when they decided to take no action against the perpetrators.

What about all the decent innocent TCs who have committed no crimes, is their human rights respected while they are being economically suffocated.

One first must look in ones self before accusing others of anything.

So forgive me for being rather negative, it’s not in my nature but you take the biscuit.

[Talisker]

So the roc is fully conversant and compliant to all these lovely rules you have just mentioned above, are they?

Was that just before or just after they put the TCs through the mincing machine? Did somebody stand near them and read to them their rights?

What about the two boys that were beaten up by the police, was their rights respected in the roc before or after the police were found innocent of the crimes they committed by the justice system.

Maybe the poor Sudanese girl, who got attacked by your 50 bravest students, was her rights respected by your justice system, when they decided to take no action against the perpetrators.

What about all the decent innocent TCs who have committed no crimes, is their human rights respected while they are being economically suffocated.

One first must look in ones self before accusing others of anything.

So forgive me for being rather negative, it’s not in my nature but you take the biscuit.

Bu the TRNC 'Constitution' includes the following:

The Constitution contains elaborate provisions guaranteeing basic rights and liberties. Examples of these rights are: the right to equality, the right to life and corporal integrity, the right to liberty and security of a person, the right of access to the court and the right to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by independent and impartial courts, and rights of convicted persons. Other articles contain a number of economic and social rights. Torture is prohibited. The right to privacy of life, inviolability of the dwelling house, confidentiality of correspondence, the right to free movement and residence, freedom of science and art, freedom of the press, and freedoms of assembly and association are also secured by provisions which reflect the democratic characteristics of the State.
http://www.trncinfo.com/TANITMADAIRESI/ ... Page01.htm

Is this just window-dressing?

[YFred]

So the roc is fully conversant and compliant to all these lovely rules you have just mentioned above, are they?

Was that just before or just after they put the TCs through the mincing machine? Did somebody stand near them and read to them their rights?

What about the two boys that were beaten up by the police, was their rights respected in the roc before or after the police were found innocent of the crimes they committed by the justice system.

Maybe the poor Sudanese girl, who got attacked by your 50 bravest students, was her rights respected by your justice system, when they decided to take no action against the perpetrators.

What about all the decent innocent TCs who have committed no crimes, is their human rights respected while they are being economically suffocated.

One first must look in ones self before accusing others of anything.

So forgive me for being rather negative, it’s not in my nature but you take the biscuit.

Bu the TRNC 'Constitution' includes the following:

The Constitution contains elaborate provisions guaranteeing basic rights and liberties. Examples of these rights are: the right to equality, the right to life and corporal integrity, the right to liberty and security of a person, the right of access to the court and the right to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by independent and impartial courts, and rights of convicted persons. Other articles contain a number of economic and social rights. Torture is prohibited. The right to privacy of life, inviolability of the dwelling house, confidentiality of correspondence, the right to free movement and residence, freedom of science and art, freedom of the press, and freedoms of assembly and association are also secured by provisions which reflect the democratic characteristics of the State.
http://www.trncinfo.com/TANITMADAIRESI/ ... Page01.htm

Is this just window-dressing?

Please stop for a moment and get a hold of reality. The economy is in such a state that people don't know whether they will be paid next month, and there you are preaching human rights.

Please show me one country that respect the human rights of all its citizens. Human right are enshrined in the law. The law is available to those who can pay for it. So why are you playing with meaningless words. It's not very clever. In fact it's quite dumb and shows lack of reality.

[Talisker]

So the roc is fully conversant and compliant to all these lovely rules you have just mentioned above, are they?

Was that just before or just after they put the TCs through the mincing machine? Did somebody stand near them and read to them their rights?

What about the two boys that were beaten up by the police, was their rights respected in the roc before or after the police were found innocent of the crimes they committed by the justice system.

Maybe the poor Sudanese girl, who got attacked by your 50 bravest students, was her rights respected by your justice system, when they decided to take no action against the perpetrators.

What about all the decent innocent TCs who have committed no crimes, is their human rights respected while they are being economically suffocated.

One first must look in ones self before accusing others of anything.

So forgive me for being rather negative, it’s not in my nature but you take the biscuit.

Bu the TRNC 'Constitution' includes the following:

The Constitution contains elaborate provisions guaranteeing basic rights and liberties. Examples of these rights are: the right to equality, the right to life and corporal integrity, the right to liberty and security of a person, the right of access to the court and the right to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by independent and impartial courts, and rights of convicted persons. Other articles contain a number of economic and social rights. Torture is prohibited. The right to privacy of life, inviolability of the dwelling house, confidentiality of correspondence, the right to free movement and residence, freedom of science and art, freedom of the press, and freedoms of assembly and association are also secured by provisions which reflect the democratic characteristics of the State.
http://www.trncinfo.com/TANITMADAIRESI/ ... Page01.htm

Is this just window-dressing?

Please stop for a moment and get a hold of reality. The economy is in such a state that people don't know whether they will be paid next month, and there you are preaching human rights.

Please show me one country that respect the human rights of all its citizens. Human right are enshrined in the law. The law is available to those who can pay for it. So why are you playing with meaningless words. It's not very clever. In fact it's quite dumb and shows lack of reality.

Passing the buck YFred. Weak economy, therefore less need for human rights? That can't be right surely? Human rights are there to protect the starving, the poor, the sick.

[YFred]

So the roc is fully conversant and compliant to all these lovely rules you have just mentioned above, are they?

Was that just before or just after they put the TCs through the mincing machine? Did somebody stand near them and read to them their rights?

What about the two boys that were beaten up by the police, was their rights respected in the roc before or after the police were found innocent of the crimes they committed by the justice system.

Maybe the poor Sudanese girl, who got attacked by your 50 bravest students, was her rights respected by your justice system, when they decided to take no action against the perpetrators.

What about all the decent innocent TCs who have committed no crimes, is their human rights respected while they are being economically suffocated.

One first must look in ones self before accusing others of anything.

So forgive me for being rather negative, it’s not in my nature but you take the biscuit.

Bu the TRNC 'Constitution' includes the following:

The Constitution contains elaborate provisions guaranteeing basic rights and liberties. Examples of these rights are: the right to equality, the right to life and corporal integrity, the right to liberty and security of a person, the right of access to the court and the right to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by independent and impartial courts, and rights of convicted persons. Other articles contain a number of economic and social rights. Torture is prohibited. The right to privacy of life, inviolability of the dwelling house, confidentiality of correspondence, the right to free movement and residence, freedom of science and art, freedom of the press, and freedoms of assembly and association are also secured by provisions which reflect the democratic characteristics of the State.
http://www.trncinfo.com/TANITMADAIRESI/ ... Page01.htm

Is this just window-dressing?

Please stop for a moment and get a hold of reality. The economy is in such a state that people don't know whether they will be paid next month, and there you are preaching human rights.

Please show me one country that respect the human rights of all its citizens. Human right are enshrined in the law. The law is available to those who can pay for it. So why are you playing with meaningless words. It's not very clever. In fact it's quite dumb and shows lack of reality.

Passing the buck YFred. Weak economy, therefore less need for human rights? That can't be right surely? Human rights are there to protect the starving, the poor, the sick.

There you go again, They don't have a buck to pass between them. You can hear the words but you don't really understand what it means.

[denizaksulu]

Lately I have been pondering a lot about 'Human Rights'. I happened to remember the arrest of the PKK leader Ocalan and the furore from Human Rights groups who complained of his detention without trial. This was the leader of an organisation 'allegedly' responsible for the brutal murder or Turkish citizens of both Turkish and Kurdish background. We all remember that the EU , Amnsty International all jumping up and down with their knickers in the air.

How quiet they are now. In Turkey there are hundreds of Turkish Army high ranking officers in jail for over a year without charge and some have been 'allegedly' undergone torture. What happened to Amnesty Int and Human Rights Activists. We know they have double standards but their silence is deafening. Perhaps Talisker has the answer.(in a different thread ofcourse

[Expatkiwi]

A lot of countries espouse human rights in their constitutions, but don't exactly live up to them. If you're condeming the TRNC for that, you'd better add a lot of other countries to the list.

[Paphitis]

A lot of countries espouse human rights in their constitutions, but don't exactly live up to them. If you're condeming the TRNC for that, you'd better add a lot of other countries to the list.

But you still can't make any comparisons between an illegal occupation regime which is not a country, and countries that espouse human rights and don't exactly live up to it.

BTW, I am intrigued! Which country do you propose to compare the "trnc" to? New Zealand perhaps!

[Talisker]

Lately I have been pondering a lot about 'Human Rights'. I happened to remember the arrest of the PKK leader Ocalan and the furore from Human Rights groups who complained of his detention without trial. This was the leader of an organisation 'allegedly' responsible for the brutal murder or Turkish citizens of both Turkish and Kurdish background. We all remember that the EU , Amnsty International all jumping up and down with their knickers in the air.

How quiet they are now. In Turkey there are hundreds of Turkish Army high ranking officers in jail for over a year without charge and some have been 'allegedly' undergone torture. What happened to Amnesty Int and Human Rights Activists. We know they have double standards but their silence is deafening. Perhaps Talisker has the answer.(in a different thread ofcourse

Let me be clear on this Deniz - you are condemning the human rights monitoring organisations and not the abusers? Your comparison is an odd one - even I knew about Ocalan before he was arrested - he was a high-profile individual, and therefore he was easy for Amnesty International and others to monitor, whereas the arrests of the military figures you mention is presumably an internal security matter which has received little publicity, certainly in comparison with the Ocalan arrest. Have they been arrested to prevent a military coup? Either way, you highlight very nicely the lack of human rights (and fragility of democracy?) in Turkey, which, I'm sure, explains in large part the similar absence of such rights in the TRNC.