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[YFred]

I have never disagreed with Bananiot on anything up to this point. Secondly, I agree with most of the points this article makes accept the economic barriers point.

But removing economic barriers WAS the point of the article:

Orphanides’ comments could prove doubly useful if they were also taken on board by the Turkish Cypriot side which still seems to support the idea of certain economic barriers being in place after a settlement.

You see, YFred, I don't think you read it properly. Just the headline.

Which just shows that your criticism about forumers "concentrating on the detail and missing the big picture" was flawed.

You can read it any way you like. The main purpose of the article is to promote unification and the positive results that would come out of it. Not what the opposers of the talks are suggesting which is that the settlement will make them poorer. He merely suggested that the less the barriers the better. That is his opinion. I am no econmist but I would go further and say that the RoC should pay a proportion to the TRNC of the money they have received from external sources as help for the past 35 years.

So please read it one more time beyond the bit that serves your argument.

[Malapapa]

He (Orphanides) merely suggested that the less the barriers the better. That is his opinion. I am no econmist but I would go further and say that the RoC should pay a proportion to the TRNC of the money they have received from external sources as help for the past 35 years.

Stop focusing on barriers, YFred. Stop focusing on the negatives!

Time to focus on the positive aspects of a solution!

Orphanides' "excellent and timely intervention" is looking at the "bigger picture" and here you are insisting on economic barriers and also now on money from external sources being paid directly to the "TRNC". (Post reunification, the "TRNC" will cease to exist, even as a figment of your imagination, so why even bring it up?)

How can we have a solution if you keep nitpicking over minor details, introducing barriers, and losing sight of the bigger picture?

[YFred]

He (Orphanides) merely suggested that the less the barriers the better. That is his opinion. I am no econmist but I would go further and say that the RoC should pay a proportion to the TRNC of the money they have received from external sources as help for the past 35 years.

Stop focusing on barriers, YFred. Stop focusing on the negatives!

Time to focus on the positive aspects of a solution!

Orphanides' "excellent and timely intervention" is looking at the "bigger picture" and here you are insisting on economic barriers and also now on money from external sources being paid directly to the "TRNC". (Post reunification, the "TRNC" will cease to exist, even as a figment of your imagination, so why even bring it up?)

How can we have a solution if you keep nitpicking over minor details, introducing barriers, and losing sight of the bigger picture?

You missed the point again as usual. To me it does not matter what the north is called, should I be using the favourite phrase of the GCs "Occupied Lands"?, the money I referred to is not future money, it's past money and the TCs right to a portion of it. It is not about encouraging divergence. It's about giving a fair chance to the weaker economy to survive.

I can see the bigger picture and I can also see the future too. The barriers are needed because of the suffocation of the past. So don't you worry about me.

Let me explain. Imagine 10ft tree growing in plenty of water. Then another only 2 ft tree starved of water for 35 years. Compete and produce fruit to survive. You must think the TCs to be simpletons to even think it never mind proposing it.
I would like to hear Bananiots opinion on barriers too.
I am not suggesting barriers for ever, only till the TCs find their feet.

[Malapapa]

He (Orphanides) merely suggested that the less the barriers the better. That is his opinion. I am no econmist but I would go further and say that the RoC should pay a proportion to the TRNC of the money they have received from external sources as help for the past 35 years.

Stop focusing on barriers, YFred. Stop focusing on the negatives!

Time to focus on the positive aspects of a solution!

Orphanides' "excellent and timely intervention" is looking at the "bigger picture" and here you are insisting on economic barriers and also now on money from external sources being paid directly to the "TRNC". (Post reunification, the "TRNC" will cease to exist, even as a figment of your imagination, so why even bring it up?)

How can we have a solution if you keep nitpicking over minor details, introducing barriers, and losing sight of the bigger picture?

You missed the point again as usual. To me it does not matter what the north is called, should I be using the favourite phrase of the GCs "Occupied Lands"?, the money I referred to is not future money, it's past money and the TCs right to a portion of it. It is not about encouraging divergence. It's about giving a fair chance to the weaker economy to survive.

I can see the bigger picture and I can also see the future too. The barriers are needed because of the suffocation of the past. So don't you worry about me.

Let me explain. Imagine 10ft tree growing in plenty of water. Then another only 2 ft tree starved of water for 35 years. Compete and produce fruit to survive. You must think the TCs to be simpletons to even think it never mind proposing it.
I would like to hear Bananiots opinion on barriers too.
I am not suggesting barriers for ever, only till the TCs find their feet.

YFred. I do appreciate the point you're making. Temporary barriers of some sort, for a very limited and defined period, may be appropriate given how Turkey has suffocated the north for its own nefarious ends. Like you, I'm no economist.

But it's you who missed my point. That you should practice what you preach.

[YFred]

He (Orphanides) merely suggested that the less the barriers the better. That is his opinion. I am no econmist but I would go further and say that the RoC should pay a proportion to the TRNC of the money they have received from external sources as help for the past 35 years.

Stop focusing on barriers, YFred. Stop focusing on the negatives!

Time to focus on the positive aspects of a solution!

Orphanides' "excellent and timely intervention" is looking at the "bigger picture" and here you are insisting on economic barriers and also now on money from external sources being paid directly to the "TRNC". (Post reunification, the "TRNC" will cease to exist, even as a figment of your imagination, so why even bring it up?)

How can we have a solution if you keep nitpicking over minor details, introducing barriers, and losing sight of the bigger picture?

You missed the point again as usual. To me it does not matter what the north is called, should I be using the favourite phrase of the GCs "Occupied Lands"?, the money I referred to is not future money, it's past money and the TCs right to a portion of it. It is not about encouraging divergence. It's about giving a fair chance to the weaker economy to survive.

I can see the bigger picture and I can also see the future too. The barriers are needed because of the suffocation of the past. So don't you worry about me.

Let me explain. Imagine 10ft tree growing in plenty of water. Then another only 2 ft tree starved of water for 35 years. Compete and produce fruit to survive. You must think the TCs to be simpletons to even think it never mind proposing it.
I would like to hear Bananiots opinion on barriers too.
I am not suggesting barriers for ever, only till the TCs find their feet.

YFred. I do appreciate the point you're making. Temporary barriers of some sort, for a very limited and defined period, may be appropriate given how Turkey has suffocated the north for its own nefarious ends. Like you, I'm no economist.

But it's you who missed my point. That you should practice what you preach.

Nope. You still don't get it. The economic suffocation was definitely applied by the roc. Your great leader TPapa admitted to it and qualified it by saying that it was economics suffocation with love.
Stop kidding yourselves as a nation and act appropriately otherwise all the TCs' will turn their backs to you and no encouragement will bring them back. Period. Kapish?
I know that some of your fellows will be very excited by that but it is not that kind of turning your back, it is not literal, it is political.
All my life I believed that peace was possible in Cyprus, but now I am beginning to see what Denktash meant when he simply said "The GCs do not want you in Cyprus". I am beginning to fear that he was right all along. The question is what percentage? The next referendum on peace will finalize it.

[Malapapa]

Nope. You still don't get it. The economic suffocation was definitely applied by the roc. Your great leader TPapa admitted to it and qualified it by saying that it was economics suffocation with love.
Stop kidding yourselves as a nation and act appropriately otherwise all the TCs' will turn their backs to you and no encouragement will bring them back. Period. Kapish?
I know that some of your fellows will be very excited by that but it is not that kind of turning your back, it is not literal, it is political.
All my life I believed that peace was possible in Cyprus, but now I am beginning to see what Denktash meant when he simply said "The GCs do not want you in Cyprus". I am beginning to fear that he was right all along. The question is what percentage? The next referendum on peace will finalize it.

Denktash was right. No citizens would accept an element in their country aiding and abeting a foreign aggressor. You refuse to accept what is clear to everyone else; that ending the isolation of the regime in the north will serve Turkey's aim to upgrade its illegitimate, self-declared "Turkish Republic". If that means people living in this "Turkish Republic" are suffocated then blame the aggressor who established it - not those battling to free their island from the aggressor.

Stop kidding yourselves and act appropriately. GCs have already turned their back on the regime from the moment it was established; and until you join them in standing up to Turkey, no encouragement will bring them back. Period. Kapish?

[YFred]

Nope. You still don't get it. The economic suffocation was definitely applied by the roc. Your great leader TPapa admitted to it and qualified it by saying that it was economics suffocation with love.
Stop kidding yourselves as a nation and act appropriately otherwise all the TCs' will turn their backs to you and no encouragement will bring them back. Period. Kapish?
I know that some of your fellows will be very excited by that but it is not that kind of turning your back, it is not literal, it is political.
All my life I believed that peace was possible in Cyprus, but now I am beginning to see what Denktash meant when he simply said "The GCs do not want you in Cyprus". I am beginning to fear that he was right all along. The question is what percentage? The next referendum on peace will finalize it.

Denktash was right. No citizens would accept an element in their country aiding and abeting a foreign aggressor. You refuse to accept what is clear to everyone else; that ending the isolation of the regime in the north will serve Turkey's aim to upgrade its illegitimate, self-declared "Turkish Republic". If that means people living in this "Turkish Republic" are suffocated then blame the aggressor who established it - not those battling to free their island from the aggressor.

Stop kidding yourselves and act appropriately. GCs have already turned their back on the regime from the moment it was established; and until you join them in standing up to Turkey, no encouragement will bring them back. Period. Kapish?

Then two states it will be.

[Malapapa]

There are already two legitimate states. Cyprus and Turkey. Time to choose.

[YFred]

There are already two legitimate states. Cyprus and Turkey. Time to choose.

The old saying goes "If there is room for 2, there must be room for 3 too."
After April TCs will make their choice, which it will be.

[Malapapa]

There are already two legitimate states. Cyprus and Turkey. Time to choose.

The old saying goes "If there is room for 2, there must be room for 3 too."
After April TCs will make their choice, which it will be.

If you choose Turkey, then your no. 3 can be accommodated there. Plenty of room there. In fact, why stop at 3? You can have as many states as you like; one for you, one for the Kurds, one for the Azeris, one for the Alevis, one for the Ossetians, one for the Pomaks...