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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:04 pm

insan wrote:It was not only those 2. Almost all political groups(especially executives) contributed this havoc... The saddest is AKEL's official Enosis support...

Hope Tim translates the below linked article into English.

http://www.koxuz.org/anasayfa/node/2791


I am going to have a look at this if I find time.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:14 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:17 pm

Piratis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.



I do not mind any democratic solution. What I am addressing here like VP is the concerns of TCs. Whereas I will accept what is on offer, you have to address yourself to many other TCs who are full of mistrust with 'majority rule'. In no way do I support any undemocratic settlement, but what will you do to calm the fears of your fellow TCs? Your stance is not helpful at all.
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Postby YFred » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:20 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.



I do not mind any democratic solution. What I am addressing here like VP is the concerns of TCs. Whereas I will accept what is on offer, you have to address yourself to many other TCs who are full of mistrust with 'majority rule'. In no way do I support any undemocratic settlement, but what will you do to calm the fears of your fellow TCs? Your stance is not helpful at all.

Well said Deniz.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:26 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.

You mean unbalance a undemocratic arrangement that suits a racist minority that wants to come here as a gang to cause problems!

No thank you! Just stay where you are…

PS: You can keep Bananiot too as a souvenir!
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:26 pm

YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.



I do not mind any democratic solution. What I am addressing here like VP is the concerns of TCs. Whereas I will accept what is on offer, you have to address yourself to many other TCs who are full of mistrust with 'majority rule'. In no way do I support any undemocratic settlement, but what will you do to calm the fears of your fellow TCs? Your stance is not helpful at all.

Well said Deniz.


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Postby YFred » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:27 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.



I do not mind any democratic solution. What I am addressing here like VP is the concerns of TCs. Whereas I will accept what is on offer, you have to address yourself to many other TCs who are full of mistrust with 'majority rule'. In no way do I support any undemocratic settlement, but what will you do to calm the fears of your fellow TCs? Your stance is not helpful at all.

Well said Deniz.


:shock: :shock:

Why are you shocked?
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:16 pm

YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.



I do not mind any democratic solution. What I am addressing here like VP is the concerns of TCs. Whereas I will accept what is on offer, you have to address yourself to many other TCs who are full of mistrust with 'majority rule'. In no way do I support any undemocratic settlement, but what will you do to calm the fears of your fellow TCs? Your stance is not helpful at all.

Well said Deniz.


:shock: :shock:

Why are you shocked?



For some reason I was under the impression you disagreed with some of Bananiots comments. Agreeing with me changes that 'faulty' impression I had. Thats all.

I still do not believe in partition; Maybe, there is a slim chance that we avoid this. :wink: Thats where we need sensible, logical and damn clever politicians to sort out the mess. This will take plenty 'give and take' of sorts. :lol:

Not long till another 'bloody NOEL' anniversary.

Let us pray.
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Postby YFred » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:24 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.



I do not mind any democratic solution. What I am addressing here like VP is the concerns of TCs. Whereas I will accept what is on offer, you have to address yourself to many other TCs who are full of mistrust with 'majority rule'. In no way do I support any undemocratic settlement, but what will you do to calm the fears of your fellow TCs? Your stance is not helpful at all.

Well said Deniz.


:shock: :shock:

Why are you shocked?



For some reason I was under the impression you disagreed with some of Bananiots comments. Agreeing with me changes that 'faulty' impression I had. Thats all.

I still do not believe in partition; Maybe, there is a slim chance that we avoid this. :wink: Thats where we need sensible, logical and damn clever politicians to sort out the mess. This will take plenty 'give and take' of sorts. :lol:

Not long till another 'bloody NOEL' anniversary.

Let us pray.

If you look back to when I first joined, I expressed the view that in the future, we may well have the ideal, one man one vote and all that, but to start with what is discussed currently is a good idea to take us forward, with a view that when there is trust in both sides, then we can truly unite as one country.
I call this practical solution. Not perfect but eventually it will be.
:lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:34 pm

YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Piratis you want a solution that suits only you and your followers, Bananiot shows signs that he can care and address the needs of both communities regardless of them being TC or GC that hy I would trust his with my future in a unitary state with proportional representation. He warrants such trust whereasyou do not and therefore seeing you are the majority we must ask and obtain as many safeguards and guarantees as possible as clearly your intentions are not for the benefit of all the people who live on this island but only those that belong to a majortity group of GC origin who can use their numbers to the detrement of of those with TC origin.

If you cannot understand what I am saying then you are just playing stupid because you do not want to accept that people with a different approach can easily obtain what you can never obtain due to your narrow and warped vision of TCs..


Well put VP. We need more Bananiots than Pratisi if we are ever to live in a 'unified state. The likes of Pratisi are likely to unbalance any settlement reached.


Yes Downiz. An unfair, undemocratic, racist settlement, based on ethnic cleansing and racist discriminations can work with people like Bananiot but not with people like me.



I do not mind any democratic solution. What I am addressing here like VP is the concerns of TCs. Whereas I will accept what is on offer, you have to address yourself to many other TCs who are full of mistrust with 'majority rule'. In no way do I support any undemocratic settlement, but what will you do to calm the fears of your fellow TCs? Your stance is not helpful at all.

Well said Deniz.


:shock: :shock:

Why are you shocked?



For some reason I was under the impression you disagreed with some of Bananiots comments. Agreeing with me changes that 'faulty' impression I had. Thats all.

I still do not believe in partition; Maybe, there is a slim chance that we avoid this. :wink: Thats where we need sensible, logical and damn clever politicians to sort out the mess. This will take plenty 'give and take' of sorts. :lol:

Not long till another 'bloody NOEL' anniversary.

Let us pray.

If you look back to when I first joined, I expressed the view that in the future, we may well have the ideal, one man one vote and all that, but to start with what is discussed currently is a good idea to take us forward, with a view that when there is trust in both sides, then we can truly unite as one country.
I call this practical solution. Not perfect but eventually it will be.
:lol:



...But first, the wings of 'The School of Pratis' must be clipped. More moderates like Bananiot is the only solution. We need to hear more of these voices and have more trust, but what chance is there?
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