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[Get Real!]

The only people who did not approve it, were rewarded by the entry into EU.

Your gripe is based on the assumption that the AP and Cyprus' EU accession were linked… big fallacy!

If the Annan plan was accepted by both sides, would that not mean that TRNC would also be in EU now. Is that not linked. The fact that for the first time, one group of people voted to block another group from going in speaks volumes about the GCs and the EU.

The "TRNC" is already in the EU, but the Turkish military is preventing you from the many EU obligations and privileges.

Of course it was not linked, just like your brain is not linked with reality most of the time, until you focus on Greeks and Americans, you seem to engage with the old grey matter very well.

It is YOU that is the LEAST INFORMED on this forum... actually make that on this planet. Your brain is embargoed!

[Viewpoint]

If all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with proportional representation full stop. Its those that put forward stupid nationalistic arguements like Piratis and followers that ensure that we will ask for every safeguard and guarantee under the sun to make sure they cannot brush us to one side ever again.

But the only reason you like Bananiot is exactly because he doesn't ask for a unitary state or proportional representation, and accepts all your fascist demands. If Bananiot demanded proportional representation, democracy, human rights etc, then he wouldn't be a "Bananiot", he would be "Piratis", and you wouldn't like him.

You will never understand the difference between yourself and Bananiot because you do not have the capacity to do so, knowing how he thinks I would have no problems with accepting a unitary state because I trust he will have the best interests of everyone who live on this island, with you and the majority of GCs its a total different ball of mistrust and hidden agendas that we need plenty of safeguards and guarantees to ensure you are forced to have the best interests of all on this island. I dont expect you to understand as you cannot but maybe you will just stop for even a few seconds and think why Bananiots is trusted 100% and you are mistrusted 1 zillion%.

[Piratis]

If all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with proportional representation full stop. Its those that put forward stupid nationalistic arguements like Piratis and followers that ensure that we will ask for every safeguard and guarantee under the sun to make sure they cannot brush us to one side ever again.

But the only reason you like Bananiot is exactly because he doesn't ask for a unitary state or proportional representation, and accepts all your fascist demands. If Bananiot demanded proportional representation, democracy, human rights etc, then he wouldn't be a "Bananiot", he would be "Piratis", and you wouldn't like him.

You will never understand the difference between yourself and Bananiot because you do not have the capacity to do so, knowing how he thinks I would have no problems with accepting a unitary state because I trust he will have the best interests of everyone who live on this island, with you and the majority of GCs its a total different ball of mistrust and hidden agendas that we need plenty of safeguards and guarantees to ensure you are forced to have the best interests of all on this island. I dont expect you to understand as you cannot but maybe you will just stop for even a few seconds and think why Bananiots is trusted 100% and you are mistrusted 1 zillion%.

I perfectly understand the difference between me an Bananiot (which is huge) and I also perfectly understand why a person who uses as a signature "Viva la Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus..." prefers Bananiot instead of me.

Bananiot can be 100% trusted to deliver to you what you want: The legalization of partition. Sorry VP, but you will never get what you want in Cyprus because the majority of Cypriots are not idiots.

[Piratis]

But have you all noticed? Every time Piratis finds the going difficult, he takes a recourse to the dreaded Annan Plan. I think he is probably that Koulias guy of DIKO who blames the increasing road accidents on the Annan Plan and generally every ailment, real or imaginary, of our society.

Bananiot in your initial post you said: "This time round, things will be much more different than 2004". You were clearly saying that what you didn't manage to do in 2004 with Annan Plan, you will do it now with some similar plan. That was the whole point of your whole post. It was very clear what you were saying, and my reply to you is also clear: You didn't fool us in 2004, and you will not fool us now. The only solution we will accept is a true solution that actually solves our problems, not merely some agreement that would solve the problem of the EU accession of Turkey, while officially partitioning Cyprus, making the whole of Cyprus a banana republic of Turkey, and creating a ton more problems for us than the few it could solve.

The irony is that not only were you fooled in 2004, you are so blind that you cannot see it to this day. Come the referendum I wonder how many like you will remain blind? I hope not many that's for sure.

This fair plan you seem to promote, just for my own curiosity can you let me know what concessions were made by the Turkish side in the Annan Plan? (excluding the 6% land swap spanning over 2 decades)

The Annan plan was approved by the EU, Greece and UN. The only people who did not approve it, were rewarded by the entry into EU. You talk about fairness, I better be careful because I don't want to laugh so much that I may suffer a hernia. You can argue about the Annan plan till the cows come home and still you will be exactly in the same spot that you started with.

YFred, I hope you understand that what you say is not only irrelevant, but you also do not provide any arguments to support your position that we were "fooled" in rejecting the Annan plan in 2004.

As Gregory wrote, with Annan plan we would maybe (with no guarantees) get back 6% of land over a period of 2 decades, while in return we would have to give to you 50% of the power, officially partition Cyprus and let you enjoy what you stole from us without the consequences you face today, remove Cyprus from being an obstacle in the EU accession of Turkey, legalize human rights violations against us, legalize ethnic cleansing, dissolve democracy and being forced to live under some dysfunctional system that would cause a ton more problems every day.

[Viewpoint]

If all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with proportional representation full stop. Its those that put forward stupid nationalistic arguements like Piratis and followers that ensure that we will ask for every safeguard and guarantee under the sun to make sure they cannot brush us to one side ever again.

But the only reason you like Bananiot is exactly because he doesn't ask for a unitary state or proportional representation, and accepts all your fascist demands. If Bananiot demanded proportional representation, democracy, human rights etc, then he wouldn't be a "Bananiot", he would be "Piratis", and you wouldn't like him.

You will never understand the difference between yourself and Bananiot because you do not have the capacity to do so, knowing how he thinks I would have no problems with accepting a unitary state because I trust he will have the best interests of everyone who live on this island, with you and the majority of GCs its a total different ball of mistrust and hidden agendas that we need plenty of safeguards and guarantees to ensure you are forced to have the best interests of all on this island. I dont expect you to understand as you cannot but maybe you will just stop for even a few seconds and think why Bananiots is trusted 100% and you are mistrusted 1 zillion%.

I perfectly understand the difference between me an Bananiot (which is huge) and I also perfectly understand why a person who uses as a signature "Viva la Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus..." prefers Bananiot instead of me.

Bananiot can be 100% trusted to deliver to you what you want: The legalization of partition. Sorry VP, but you will never get what you want in Cyprus because the majority of Cypriots are not idiots.

You still dont get it, only shows your own ignorance and lack of capacity, the slogan is in direct response to people like you...with Bananiot I would accept a unitary state no barriers and proportional representation, this is something you will never be able to obtain because you cannot see the difference, he can be trusted to run a unitary state fairly whereas you cannot be trusted to act on behalf of all the population so you have be forced to do so with plenty of safeguards and guarantees.

[Get Real!]

...he can be trusted to run a unitary state fairly whereas you cannot be trusted to act on behalf of all the population so you have be forced to do so with plenty of safeguards and guarantees.

We wouldn’t trust the likes of you and Bananiot, if you were bound in a straightjacket and permanently locked up!

[Piratis]

If all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with proportional representation full stop. Its those that put forward stupid nationalistic arguements like Piratis and followers that ensure that we will ask for every safeguard and guarantee under the sun to make sure they cannot brush us to one side ever again.

But the only reason you like Bananiot is exactly because he doesn't ask for a unitary state or proportional representation, and accepts all your fascist demands. If Bananiot demanded proportional representation, democracy, human rights etc, then he wouldn't be a "Bananiot", he would be "Piratis", and you wouldn't like him.

You will never understand the difference between yourself and Bananiot because you do not have the capacity to do so, knowing how he thinks I would have no problems with accepting a unitary state because I trust he will have the best interests of everyone who live on this island, with you and the majority of GCs its a total different ball of mistrust and hidden agendas that we need plenty of safeguards and guarantees to ensure you are forced to have the best interests of all on this island. I dont expect you to understand as you cannot but maybe you will just stop for even a few seconds and think why Bananiots is trusted 100% and you are mistrusted 1 zillion%.

I perfectly understand the difference between me an Bananiot (which is huge) and I also perfectly understand why a person who uses as a signature "Viva la Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus..." prefers Bananiot instead of me.

Bananiot can be 100% trusted to deliver to you what you want: The legalization of partition. Sorry VP, but you will never get what you want in Cyprus because the majority of Cypriots are not idiots.

You still dont get it, only shows your own ignorance and lack of capacity, the slogan is in direct response to people like you...with Bananiot I would accept a unitary state no barriers and proportional representation, this is something you will never be able to obtain because you cannot see the difference, he can be trusted to run a unitary state fairly whereas you cannot be trusted to act on behalf of all the population so you have be forced to do so with plenty of safeguards and guarantees.

Show me even one post that Bananiot asked for a unitary state or proportional representation.

You can't foot anybody VP. If Bananiot was asking for such things you wouldn't like him. He wouldn't be a "Bananiot" anymore. The only reason you like him is because he accepts the partition of Cyprus in the way you want it.

[YFred]

If all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with proportional representation full stop. Its those that put forward stupid nationalistic arguements like Piratis and followers that ensure that we will ask for every safeguard and guarantee under the sun to make sure they cannot brush us to one side ever again.

But the only reason you like Bananiot is exactly because he doesn't ask for a unitary state or proportional representation, and accepts all your fascist demands. If Bananiot demanded proportional representation, democracy, human rights etc, then he wouldn't be a "Bananiot", he would be "Piratis", and you wouldn't like him.

You will never understand the difference between yourself and Bananiot because you do not have the capacity to do so, knowing how he thinks I would have no problems with accepting a unitary state because I trust he will have the best interests of everyone who live on this island, with you and the majority of GCs its a total different ball of mistrust and hidden agendas that we need plenty of safeguards and guarantees to ensure you are forced to have the best interests of all on this island. I dont expect you to understand as you cannot but maybe you will just stop for even a few seconds and think why Bananiots is trusted 100% and you are mistrusted 1 zillion%.

I perfectly understand the difference between me an Bananiot (which is huge) and I also perfectly understand why a person who uses as a signature "Viva la Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus..." prefers Bananiot instead of me.

Bananiot can be 100% trusted to deliver to you what you want: The legalization of partition. Sorry VP, but you will never get what you want in Cyprus because the majority of Cypriots are not idiots.

You still dont get it, only shows your own ignorance and lack of capacity, the slogan is in direct response to people like you...with Bananiot I would accept a unitary state no barriers and proportional representation, this is something you will never be able to obtain because you cannot see the difference, he can be trusted to run a unitary state fairly whereas you cannot be trusted to act on behalf of all the population so you have be forced to do so with plenty of safeguards and guarantees.

Show me even one post that Bananiot asked for a unitary state or proportional representation.

You can't foot anybody VP. If Bananiot was asking for such things you wouldn't like him. He wouldn't be a "Bananiot" anymore. The only reason you like him is because he accepts the partition of Cyprus in the way you want it.

You are wrong Piratis, Bananiot said yes 100 times if we could return to 1960, that was a unitary state, was it not? You just don't understand Bananiot. He is a True Cypriot not like you pretend greek leftovers that belong to the scraoheap of history.

[YFred]

If all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with proportional representation full stop. Its those that put forward stupid nationalistic arguements like Piratis and followers that ensure that we will ask for every safeguard and guarantee under the sun to make sure they cannot brush us to one side ever again.

But the only reason you like Bananiot is exactly because he doesn't ask for a unitary state or proportional representation, and accepts all your fascist demands. If Bananiot demanded proportional representation, democracy, human rights etc, then he wouldn't be a "Bananiot", he would be "Piratis", and you wouldn't like him.

You will never understand the difference between yourself and Bananiot because you do not have the capacity to do so, knowing how he thinks I would have no problems with accepting a unitary state because I trust he will have the best interests of everyone who live on this island, with you and the majority of GCs its a total different ball of mistrust and hidden agendas that we need plenty of safeguards and guarantees to ensure you are forced to have the best interests of all on this island. I dont expect you to understand as you cannot but maybe you will just stop for even a few seconds and think why Bananiots is trusted 100% and you are mistrusted 1 zillion%.

I perfectly understand the difference between me an Bananiot (which is huge) and I also perfectly understand why a person who uses as a signature "Viva la Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus..." prefers Bananiot instead of me.

Bananiot can be 100% trusted to deliver to you what you want: The legalization of partition. Sorry VP, but you will never get what you want in Cyprus because the majority of Cypriots are not idiots.

You still dont get it, only shows your own ignorance and lack of capacity, the slogan is in direct response to people like you...with Bananiot I would accept a unitary state no barriers and proportional representation, this is something you will never be able to obtain because you cannot see the difference, he can be trusted to run a unitary state fairly whereas you cannot be trusted to act on behalf of all the population so you have be forced to do so with plenty of safeguards and guarantees.

Show me even one post that Bananiot asked for a unitary state or proportional representation.

You can't foot anybody VP. If Bananiot was asking for such things you wouldn't like him. He wouldn't be a "Bananiot" anymore. The only reason you like him is because he accepts the partition of Cyprus in the way you want it.

You are wrong Piratis, Bananiot said yes 100 times if we could return to 1960, that was a unitary state, was it not? You just don't understand Bananiot. He is a True Cypriot not like you pretend greek leftovers that belong to the scrapheap of history.

[Bananiot]

The fact of the matter is that the unitary state has been placed out of reach for Cyprus, by people who in the not so distant past conspired against democracy and human rights of Cypriots by exhibiting a total lack of understanding of the complex political realities that existed in this turbulent part of the world. Perhaps, at the time, they could be excused, mainly because of ignorance.

These people are ready to make the same mistake today and their motto, once again, has to do with their moral high ground stance, on democracy and human rights. Today, there is no excuse, because it does not take a genius to understand that we need to pick the best option in front of us but this option has to be chosen by both parts.

It is easy to use nice slogans but they do not solve our problem.