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[YFred]

And you are a witch and a half.

[Piratis]

But have you all noticed? Every time Piratis finds the going difficult, he takes a recourse to the dreaded Annan Plan. I think he is probably that Koulias guy of DIKO who blames the increasing road accidents on the Annan Plan and generally every ailment, real or imaginary, of our society.

Bananiot in your initial post you said: "This time round, things will be much more different than 2004". You were clearly saying that what you didn't manage to do in 2004 with Annan Plan, you will do it now with some similar plan. That was the whole point of your whole post. It was very clear what you were saying, and my reply to you is also clear: You didn't fool us in 2004, and you will not fool us now. The only solution we will accept is a true solution that actually solves our problems, not merely some agreement that would solve the problem of the EU accession of Turkey, while officially partitioning Cyprus, making the whole of Cyprus a banana republic of Turkey, and creating a ton more problems for us than the few it could solve.

[Piratis]

If all GCs thought like Bananiot I would accept a unitary state with proportional representation full stop. Its those that put forward stupid nationalistic arguements like Piratis and followers that ensure that we will ask for every safeguard and guarantee under the sun to make sure they cannot brush us to one side ever again.

But the only reason you like Bananiot is exactly because he doesn't ask for a unitary state or proportional representation, and accepts all your fascist demands. If Bananiot demanded proportional representation, democracy, human rights etc, then he wouldn't be a "Bananiot", he would be "Piratis", and you wouldn't like him.

[YFred]

But have you all noticed? Every time Piratis finds the going difficult, he takes a recourse to the dreaded Annan Plan. I think he is probably that Koulias guy of DIKO who blames the increasing road accidents on the Annan Plan and generally every ailment, real or imaginary, of our society.

Bananiot in your initial post you said: "This time round, things will be much more different than 2004". You were clearly saying that what you didn't manage to do in 2004 with Annan Plan, you will do it now with some similar plan. That was the whole point of your whole post. It was very clear what you were saying, and my reply to you is also clear: You didn't fool us in 2004, and you will not fool us now. The only solution we will accept is a true solution that actually solves our problems, not merely some agreement that would solve the problem of the EU accession of Turkey, while officially partitioning Cyprus, making the whole of Cyprus a banana republic of Turkey, and creating a ton more problems for us than the few it could solve.

The irony is that not only were you fooled in 2004, you are so blind that you cannot see it to this day. Come the referendum I wonder how many like you will remain blind? I hope not many that's for sure.

[Gregory]

But have you all noticed? Every time Piratis finds the going difficult, he takes a recourse to the dreaded Annan Plan. I think he is probably that Koulias guy of DIKO who blames the increasing road accidents on the Annan Plan and generally every ailment, real or imaginary, of our society.

Bananiot in your initial post you said: "This time round, things will be much more different than 2004". You were clearly saying that what you didn't manage to do in 2004 with Annan Plan, you will do it now with some similar plan. That was the whole point of your whole post. It was very clear what you were saying, and my reply to you is also clear: You didn't fool us in 2004, and you will not fool us now. The only solution we will accept is a true solution that actually solves our problems, not merely some agreement that would solve the problem of the EU accession of Turkey, while officially partitioning Cyprus, making the whole of Cyprus a banana republic of Turkey, and creating a ton more problems for us than the few it could solve.

The irony is that not only were you fooled in 2004, you are so blind that you cannot see it to this day. Come the referendum I wonder how many like you will remain blind? I hope not many that's for sure.

This fair plan you seem to promote, just for my own curiosity can you let me know what concessions were made by the Turkish side in the Annan Plan? (excluding the 6% land swap spanning over 2 decades)

[YFred]

But have you all noticed? Every time Piratis finds the going difficult, he takes a recourse to the dreaded Annan Plan. I think he is probably that Koulias guy of DIKO who blames the increasing road accidents on the Annan Plan and generally every ailment, real or imaginary, of our society.

Bananiot in your initial post you said: "This time round, things will be much more different than 2004". You were clearly saying that what you didn't manage to do in 2004 with Annan Plan, you will do it now with some similar plan. That was the whole point of your whole post. It was very clear what you were saying, and my reply to you is also clear: You didn't fool us in 2004, and you will not fool us now. The only solution we will accept is a true solution that actually solves our problems, not merely some agreement that would solve the problem of the EU accession of Turkey, while officially partitioning Cyprus, making the whole of Cyprus a banana republic of Turkey, and creating a ton more problems for us than the few it could solve.

The irony is that not only were you fooled in 2004, you are so blind that you cannot see it to this day. Come the referendum I wonder how many like you will remain blind? I hope not many that's for sure.

This fair plan you seem to promote, just for my own curiosity can you let me know what concessions were made by the Turkish side in the Annan Plan? (excluding the 6% land swap spanning over 2 decades)

The Annan plan was approved by the EU, Greece and UN. The only people who did not approve it, were rewarded by the entry into EU. You talk about fairness, I better be careful because I don't want to laugh so much that I may suffer a hernia. You can argue about the Annan plan till the cows come home and still you will be exactly in the same spot that you started with.

[Get Real!]

The only people who did not approve it, were rewarded by the entry into EU.

Your gripe is based on the assumption that the AP and Cyprus' EU accession were linked… big fallacy!

[YFred]

The only people who did not approve it, were rewarded by the entry into EU.

Your gripe is based on the assumption that the AP and Cyprus' EU accession were linked… big fallacy!

If the Annan plan was accepted by both sides, would that not mean that TRNC would also be in EU now. Is that not linked. The fact that for the first time, one group of people voted to block another group from going in speaks volumes about the GCs and the EU.
Of course it was not linked, just like your brain is not linked with reality most of the time, until you focus on Greeks and Americans, you seem to engage with the old grey matter very well.

Never mind we can't expect miracle twice in 3 Milena.

[Oracle]

The "trnc" is in the EU because the whole of Cyprus is in the EU and the "trnc" belongs to the RoC. But the full range of freedoms/benefits and obligations are suspended because it is occupied by (non-EU member) Turkey. Kick the Turks out of occupied Cyprus and, instantly, full EU membership is restored!

[YFred]

The "trnc" is in the EU because the whole of Cyprus is in the EU and the "trnc" belongs to the RoC. But the full range of freedoms/benefits and obligations are suspended because it is occupied by (non-EU member) Turkey. Kick the Turks out of occupied Cyprus and, instantly, full EU membership is restored!

When shall I start? Shall I do it all by my self or do I need any help from somebody?