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[YFred]

CIA drew the map in 1930? How did they do that? Using a time machine?


https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-gr ... e-cia.html

"Under the provisions of the National Security Act of 1947 the National Security Council (NSC) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were created."

They had a secret service before then, I have seen the map the American government had in the 30s.

Not that this "secret" map matters, particularly, YFred, but how can one take your posts seriously, when you pay such scant regard for the facts?

One is at liberty to take other's posts any way one likes. One of the earliest posts I did, described the situation in Aysozemeno, regarding 1963. Of all the facts the most irrelevant I got wrong. There was no UN soldier there, it was an English soldier. DT immediately jumped down my throat accusing me of being a liar. The fact that there was 200 TCs surrounded by GCs and about to be slaughtered was not that important to him. I begged to differ than too.

The fact that CIA existed or it was called something else does not matter to me. What matters is that this map was produced by the officers of the American government which was the wish of the said government. I don't have time to go round checking every single word. I would then sound like Oracle or GR, god forbid, bloody boring. If you think that America had nothing to do with it say so. I will then go on and beg to differ old chap.

[Malapapa]

CIA drew the map in 1930? How did they do that? Using a time machine?


https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-gr ... e-cia.html

"Under the provisions of the National Security Act of 1947 the National Security Council (NSC) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were created."

They had a secret service before then, I have seen the map the American government had in the 30s.

Not that this "secret" map matters, particularly, YFred, but how can one take your posts seriously, when you pay such scant regard for the facts?

One is at liberty to take other's posts any way one likes. One of the earliest posts I did, described the situation in Aysozemeno, regarding 1963. Of all the facts the most irrelevant I got wrong. There was no UN soldier there, it was an English soldier. DT immediately jumped down my throat accusing me of being a liar. The fact that there was 200 TCs surrounded by GCs and about to be slaughtered was not that important to him. I begged to differ than too.

The fact that CIA existed or it was called something else does not matter to me. What matters is that this map was produced by the officers of the American government which was the wish of the said government. I don't have time to go round checking every single word. I would then sound like Oracle or GR, god forbid, bloody boring. If you think that America had nothing to do with it say so. I will then go on and beg to differ old chap.

I take your point. But in Cyprus, the devil is in the detail.

[Bananiot]

If one bothers to read Droushiotis's book "The first partition" one would see that all claims are very well documented.

Now, TMT killed a number of progressive Turkish Cypriots and attempted to kill others (Ahmet Sadi, for example, whom I am proud to say I met in London and became friends) who believed by conviction in Greek/Turkish friendship.This shows that the Turkish Cypriots stood up to the terrorists of TMT and paid a hefty price for this.

What happened in the Greek Cypriot community at the same time? Did anyone stand up to the murderous war lords that killed even kids in cold blood? Did anyone confront Nikos Sampson and Yiorgadjis who went on a murder spree? Sadly the answer to all the above questions is no. Unless someone knows different and would like to inform us here. Perhaps, this is too much to ask of the patriotic function of the forum, who are sure that no TC was wrongly murdered by a GC.

[B25]

If one bothers to read Droushiotis's book "The first partition" one would see that all claims are very well documented.

Now, TMT killed a number of progressive Turkish Cypriots and attempted to kill others (Ahmet Sadi, for example, whom I am proud to say I met in London and became friends) who believed by conviction in Greek/Turkish friendship.This shows that the Turkish Cypriots stood up to the terrorists of TMT and paid a hefty price for this.

What happened in the Greek Cypriot community at the same time? Did anyone stand up to the murderous war lords that killed even kids in cold blood? Did anyone confront Nikos Sampson and Yiorgadjis who went on a murder spree? Sadly the answer to all the above questions is no. Unless someone knows different and would like to inform us here. Perhaps, this is too much to ask of the patriotic function of the forum, who are sure that no TC was wrongly murdered by a GC.

Did you??

Since you bleat about others, such a turk lover, why didn't you stand up to them??

You are so keen to exonorate your brothers (Turks) for their crimes, why didn't you?

Bananiot, no GC is saying TCs were not murdered, but what you and your buddies are trying to claim is that the GCs are the whole blame and that the por TCs were hard done by. The GCs have paid a higher price in killings rapes, loos of property than the turks, yet I don't ever see you condeming the turks for this, only shit all over us.

I suggest you move north, so that you can be closer to your 'brothers' we don't need trash like you this side thanks very much.

Hade, when are you going, I'll get the band out and see you off.

[Malapapa]

If one bothers to read Droushiotis's book "The first partition" one would see that all claims are very well documented.

Now, TMT killed a number of progressive Turkish Cypriots and attempted to kill others (Ahmet Sadi, for example, whom I am proud to say I met in London and became friends) who believed by conviction in Greek/Turkish friendship.This shows that the Turkish Cypriots stood up to the terrorists of TMT and paid a hefty price for this.

What happened in the Greek Cypriot community at the same time? Did anyone stand up to the murderous war lords that killed even kids in cold blood? Did anyone confront Nikos Sampson and Yiorgadjis who went on a murder spree? Sadly the answer to all the above questions is no.

Didn't anyone? If, so why? (This question isn't necessarily addressed to you Bananiot).

Surely it can't be that everyone was too cowardly? Surely it can't be that those with enough principles to make a stand had already left the island, for the sake of their well-being - mental as well as physical?

I'd really like to know.

[YFred]

If one bothers to read Droushiotis's book "The first partition" one would see that all claims are very well documented.

Now, TMT killed a number of progressive Turkish Cypriots and attempted to kill others (Ahmet Sadi, for example, whom I am proud to say I met in London and became friends) who believed by conviction in Greek/Turkish friendship.This shows that the Turkish Cypriots stood up to the terrorists of TMT and paid a hefty price for this.

What happened in the Greek Cypriot community at the same time? Did anyone stand up to the murderous war lords that killed even kids in cold blood? Did anyone confront Nikos Sampson and Yiorgadjis who went on a murder spree? Sadly the answer to all the above questions is no.

Didn't anyone? If, so why? (This question isn't necessarily addressed to you Bananiot).

Surely it can't be that everyone was too cowardly? Surely it can't be that those with enough principles to make a stand had already left the island, for the sake of their well-being - mental as well as physical.

I'd really like to know.

Perhaps all the GC killed by the Eoka in its many guises were those very people. All killed. When the killing starts, then people look the other way. It all depends on the murderous tenacity of the killers and the courage of those against them to stand up against. Levent is such man. I don't agree with some of the things he writes but he is a very courageous man.

[YFred]

CIA drew the map in 1930? How did they do that? Using a time machine?


https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-gr ... e-cia.html

"Under the provisions of the National Security Act of 1947 the National Security Council (NSC) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were created."

They had a secret service before then, I have seen the map the American government had in the 30s.

Not that this "secret" map matters, particularly, YFred, but how can one take your posts seriously, when you pay such scant regard for the facts?

One is at liberty to take other's posts any way one likes. One of the earliest posts I did, described the situation in Aysozemeno, regarding 1963. Of all the facts the most irrelevant I got wrong. There was no UN soldier there, it was an English soldier. DT immediately jumped down my throat accusing me of being a liar. The fact that there was 200 TCs surrounded by GCs and about to be slaughtered was not that important to him. I begged to differ than too.

The fact that CIA existed or it was called something else does not matter to me. What matters is that this map was produced by the officers of the American government which was the wish of the said government. I don't have time to go round checking every single word. I would then sound like Oracle or GR, god forbid, bloody boring. If you think that America had nothing to do with it say so. I will then go on and beg to differ old chap.

I take your point. But in Cyprus, the devil is in the detail.

Perhaps that is why the Cyprus problem has not been solved. They are looking too much in detail and miss the whole picture. That's not very clever is it? In fact it's quite dumb. But never mind we have to learn to live with it.

[Malapapa]

Didn't anyone? If, so why? (This question isn't necessarily addressed to you Bananiot).

Surely it can't be that everyone was too cowardly? Surely it can't be that those with enough principles to make a stand had already left the island, for the sake of their well-being - mental as well as physical.

I'd really like to know.

Perhaps all the GC killed by the Eoka in its many guises were those very people. All killed. When the killing starts, then people look the other way. It all depends on the murderous tenacity of the killers and the courage of those against them to stand up against. Levent is such man. I don't agree with some of the things he writes but he is a very courageous man.

Agree about Levent's courage. His latest article is superb...

So, three possible explanations:

1. People were too afraid;
2. People with principles had already left the island;
3. People with principles had already been killed.

Any more?

[YFred]

Didn't anyone? If, so why? (This question isn't necessarily addressed to you Bananiot).

Surely it can't be that everyone was too cowardly? Surely it can't be that those with enough principles to make a stand had already left the island, for the sake of their well-being - mental as well as physical.

I'd really like to know.

Perhaps all the GC killed by the Eoka in its many guises were those very people. All killed. When the killing starts, then people look the other way. It all depends on the murderous tenacity of the killers and the courage of those against them to stand up against. Levent is such man. I don't agree with some of the things he writes but he is a very courageous man.

Agree about Levent's courage. His latest article is superb...

So, three possible explanations:

1. People were too afraid;
2. People with principles had already left the island;
3. People with principles had already been killed.

Any more?

4. They had much wider support from the general population than TMT.

[Get Real!]

CIA drew the map in 1930? How did they do that? Using a time machine?


https://www.cia.gov/kids-page/6-12th-gr ... e-cia.html

"Under the provisions of the National Security Act of 1947 the National Security Council (NSC) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were created."

They had a secret service before then, I have seen the map the American government had in the 30s.

You were caught out again! Now shut up and take it like a man!