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[Malapapa]

Keep saying NO, can't think of a better way to keep us apart, which is necessary given the malicious racism that exists in the South.

No.

[insan]

The solution of complicated issues r complicated too and if u sincerely wish to solve them u need to work hard on a complicated solution plan with a dialectic perspective. U have no sufficient IQ for this?

Don't you read what is posted before writing more drivel?

It doesn't help that Turkey's actions have made the problem more and more and more complicated. And this suggests, to anyone with a sufficient IQ, that it's never really wanted a solution.

Yeah... it was Greece and GC administration that always wanted a solution... They told us choose between minority status, Enosis or bugger off to wherever we want. No need to mention international plots, hostile actions of GC national front against Turkey and TCs Anyway I don't expect a non-dialectic, jabber wocky mind like u to think dialectic.

[Jerry]

This would be the perfect opportunity for the ROC to reveal the flaws in the 1960 Constitution. Christofias could insist that universally accepted principles are applied to the formation of a new State otherwise he would, with justification, walk awy from the talks. It's difficult to see how those present could legitimately counter this.

[YFred]

This would be the perfect opportunity for the ROC to reveal the flaws in the 1960 Constitution. Christofias could insist that universally accepted principles are applied to the formation of a new State otherwise he would, with justification, walk awy from the talks. It's difficult to see how those present could legitimately counter this.

The meeting will be the golden cage, they will shackel him in there which is why he is refusing to go.
Constitution is what it is. Unless both parties agree, it cannot be changed. That was the constitution. Did you really think you can just tear it up and get away with it?
I give it to you, you almost did, but not quite.

[Jerry]

This would be the perfect opportunity for the ROC to reveal the flaws in the 1960 Constitution. Christofias could insist that universally accepted principles are applied to the formation of a new State otherwise he would, with justification, walk awy from the talks. It's difficult to see how those present could legitimately counter this.

The meeting will be the golden cage, they will shackel him in there which is why he is refusing to go.
Constitution is what it is. Unless both parties agree, it cannot be changed. That was the constitution. Did you really think you can just tear it up and get away with it?
I give it to you, you almost did, but not quite.

Ah yes, that's the Constitution that was linked to The Treaty of Guarantee that Turkey signed saying it would maintain the territorial intergrity of Cyprus. You can't pick and choose Fred either you play by the rules or you agree to write new ones, which is it to be? Besides the 1960 legislation was imposed, the Cypriots had little say in composing the treaty or constitution, it's time they did.

[insan]

Jabber Wocky minded Chris said:

It was a rather unconvincing excuse, even though he repeated it yesterday, saying a five-party meeting means “two communities; it means the downgrading of the Cyprus Republic which cannot be accepted.”

Downgrading the so-called RoC? Pure galimatias! Where's political equality of 2 communities then? How can Talat would effectively participate in the talks of 4 other concerned parties?

It is crystal clear that Chris considers TCs as a community but not GCs as a community.

Run Chris RUN! Run around the same circle and go nowhere, as USUAL... time is approaching fast! Contribute Chris CONTRIBUTE! Contribute the partition of Cyprus!

[Acikgoz]

Jerry, you bring up interesting points, however Christofias cannot simply say 1960 not feasible, forced into it, universally accepted principles and all that chaps...

Political and social realities, histories etc dictate that Cyprus is a special case.
Note the numerous international issues of countires that have broken up, reformed back and forth.

Still you have to come down to realities which is why the bi-communal/bi-zonal is a must. Special status is essential. Greece with the recent wall must come down in Cyprus when celebrating the Berlin wall is so flawed with the comparison that the two are akin.

Reality based resolution is the only good long term solution.

Think businesses, conglomerates, mergers. Sounds like a good idea, I'll build my business, the bigger it is and I'm the chairperson then the more I'll get out of it, jobs for my boys whatever your goals. However, if you don't work the synergies or they are too expensive or politically unfeasible then you will have a dysfunctional company, you will make losses and destroy wealth and the shareholders in the long run will suffer.

1960 was a crock, but so was 1963, 1974 etc. still everyone trying to fit round peg into square hole without actually caring that they continue to break the toy with sweeping statements that ignore the realities.

[Jerry]

Jerry, you bring up interesting points, however Christofias cannot simply say 1960 not feasible, forced into it, universally accepted principles and all that chaps...

Political and social realities, histories etc dictate that Cyprus is a special case.
Note the numerous international issues of countires that have broken up, reformed back and forth.

Still you have to come down to realities which is why the bi-communal/bi-zonal is a must. Special status is essential. Greece with the recent wall must come down in Cyprus when celebrating the Berlin wall is so flawed with the comparison that the two are akin.

Reality based resolution is the only good long term solution.

Think businesses, conglomerates, mergers. Sounds like a good idea, I'll build my business, the bigger it is and I'm the chairperson then the more I'll get out of it, jobs for my boys whatever your goals. However, if you don't work the synergies or they are too expensive or politically unfeasible then you will have a dysfunctional company, you will make losses and destroy wealth and the shareholders in the long run will suffer.

1960 was a crock, but so was 1963, 1974 etc. still everyone trying to fit round peg into square hole without actually caring that they continue to break the toy with sweeping statements that ignore the realities.

One could say that in 1960 in the post colonial age Cyprus was a special case. I like to think that the world has moved on since then and universally accepted norms should be adopted in Cyprus. The biggest obstacle to a settlement as I see it is the demographic changes that have been maliciously imposed on the island.

[cymart]

At the end of the day its what comes out of it that counts so arging with legal niceties is not going to lead us anywhere(and was also a favourite tool of Denktash senior and Papad.)As both sides already said,nothing is agreed until everything has been agreed so in the worst scenario the situation will still be the same as it is now?
Why not just quietly arrange this meeting and call Erdogans bluff?If he is not sincere then he will be the one with egg on his face!
Christophias originally refused to attend the Berlin Wall anniversary last week,but was then persuaded to change his mind,(even though he apparently stood there with a miserable expression on his face!)So let's hope he may do again once Papandreou has talked it over with him?
Mind you if Erdogan had kept things to himself instead of blurting it out in public things would have been much easier!Unless of course, it was just another publicity stunt by Turkey in this never ending charade?

[GeorgeV97qaue]

RoCy should look at the positive aspects. They would at least be talking to Turkey directly, and they could always refer to the TRNC delegation as the "Turkish Cypriot Community of Cyprus", if it will make them feel better...

You must not assume that GC Administration has any imagination. Zilch, I am afraid.

That wouldn't surprise me...

What the f@@k do you know your Aussie prat.