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[YFred]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

A jabber wocky parrot that keeps simplifying the issues by ignoring dialectics. IQ?

For Malapapa -100 million Trillion Zillion. Official.

[Malapapa]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

A jabber wocky parrot that keeps simplifying the issues by ignoring dialectics. IQ?

The issue was complicated with the establishment of the 'TRNC'. The issue was complicated when land was sold to non-Cypriots, The issue was complicated with the importing of huge numbers of settlers. If you want to resolve an issue you try and simplify it, not make it more complex.

[Malapapa]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

A jabber wocky parrot that keeps simplifying the issues by ignoring dialectics. IQ?

For Malapapa -100 million Trillion Zillion. Official.

Thanks, YFred but your test is not official. No one in the world can recognise it.

[YFred]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

A jabber wocky parrot that keeps simplifying the issues by ignoring dialectics. IQ?

For Malapapa -100 million Trillion Zillion. Official.

Thanks, YFred but your test is not official. No one in the world can recognise it.

As my friend Asif said as if we cared.

[Jerry]

President Chrisotofias should attend the talks with UN and EU as observers. He should open by saying that he is only willing to accept a solution that enshrines the principles of the UN Charter of Human Rights. He should add why, as an EU member and independent State, Cyprus should be expected to forgo its sovereignty by accepting the right of third parties intervene in the island's affairs.



From The Cyprus Mail:-

Christofias was wrong to reject Erdogan’s invitation

PRESIDENT Christofias wasted no time in rejecting a proposal made by Turkey’s prime minister Tayyip Erdogan for five-party talks on a Cyprus settlement. During a meeting in Rome with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon, Erdogan proposed that the three guarantor powers together with Christofias and Mehmet Ali Talat should meet and work together for a settlement; he also brought up the idea of Ban bringing the two leaders to New York for talks.

A few months ago Erdogan made a similar proposal for a four-party meeting but again it was rejected by Christofias on the grounds that this would upgrade the status of Talat, who was not the leader of recognised state.

It was a rather unconvincing excuse, even though he repeated it yesterday, saying a five-party meeting means “two communities; it means the downgrading of the Cyprus Republic which cannot be accepted.”

On the surface this may seem a legitimate reason for not having the meeting, but it undermines Christofias’ position about the need for Turkey to adopt a more positive role in the peace process as well as his oft-repeated assertion that the key to a solution was in Ankara.

The president is being given the opportunity to engage in talks directly with Turkey, which holds the key, but instead of seizing it he has turned it down because the Republic’s status would supposedly be downgraded.

But a man who is committed to a settlement and who believes the main obstacle is Turkey would have jumped at the opportunity to participate in such a meeting. It is not pragmatic to entertain the idea that Erdogan would ever sideline Talat and have a one-on-one meeting with Christofias about Cyprus.

The Turkish PM made a counter-proposal, which should not have been rejected outright by the president if he sincerely believes that he can persuade Erdogan to change his stance on the peace process. At such a meeting, he would have a good chance of achieving his objective because he would also have the backing of Greece’s Prime Minister, something that would strengthen his position.

It makes no rational sense to waste this opportunity on the grounds that the Republic would be downgraded. How would this happen? Would it cease being a member state of the UN or the EU, or would other countries recognise the ‘TRNC’ as a result? None of this would happen. As for Christofias’ conviction that “Turkey is in the orbit of a communications game, appearing to want solutions and making proposals,” there is only one way to prove it – by calling Erdogan’s bluff.

By rejecting the proposal for a five-party meeting outright, he is helping Turkey’s communications game to achieve its objective, which according to the president, was to show “that we do not care particularly for a solution to the problem”. This was why he should have responded diplomatically to Erdogan’s proposal rather than immediately rejecting it.

[insan]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

A jabber wocky parrot that keeps simplifying the issues by ignoring dialectics. IQ?

The issue was complicated with the establishment of the 'TRNC'. The issue was complicated when land was sold to non-Cypriots, The issue was complicated with the importing of huge numbers of settlers. If you want to resolve an issue you try and simplify it, not make it more complex.

The solution of complicated issues r complicated too and if u sincerely wish to solve them u need to work hard on a complicated solution plan with a dialectic perspective. U have no sufficient IQ for this?

[Malapapa]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

A jabber wocky parrot that keeps simplifying the issues by ignoring dialectics. IQ?

For Malapapa -100 million Trillion Zillion. Official.

Thanks, YFred but your test is not official. No one in the world can recognise it.

As my friend Asif said as if we cared.

As my friend Farkov said, if you don't care, then walk away from the talks and look east.

[Malapapa]

The solution of complicated issues r complicated too and if u sincerely wish to solve them u need to work hard on a complicated solution plan with a dialectic perspective. U have no sufficient IQ for this?

Don't you read what is posted before writing more drivel?

It doesn't help that Turkey's actions have made the problem more and more and more complicated. And this suggests, to anyone with a sufficient IQ, that it's never really wanted a solution.

[Malapapa]

President Chrisotofias should attend the talks with UN and EU as observers. He should open by saying that he is only willing to accept a solution that enshrines the principles of the UN Charter of Human Rights. He should add why, as an EU member and independent State, Cyprus should be expected to forgo its sovereignty by accepting the right of third parties intervene in the island's affairs.



From The Cyprus Mail:-

Christofias was wrong to reject Erdogan’s invitation

PRESIDENT Christofias wasted no time in rejecting a proposal made by Turkey’s prime minister Tayyip Erdogan for five-party talks on a Cyprus settlement. During a meeting in Rome with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon, Erdogan proposed that the three guarantor powers together with Christofias and Mehmet Ali Talat should meet and work together for a settlement; he also brought up the idea of Ban bringing the two leaders to New York for talks.

A few months ago Erdogan made a similar proposal for a four-party meeting but again it was rejected by Christofias on the grounds that this would upgrade the status of Talat, who was not the leader of recognised state.

It was a rather unconvincing excuse, even though he repeated it yesterday, saying a five-party meeting means “two communities; it means the downgrading of the Cyprus Republic which cannot be accepted.”

On the surface this may seem a legitimate reason for not having the meeting, but it undermines Christofias’ position about the need for Turkey to adopt a more positive role in the peace process as well as his oft-repeated assertion that the key to a solution was in Ankara.

The president is being given the opportunity to engage in talks directly with Turkey, which holds the key, but instead of seizing it he has turned it down because the Republic’s status would supposedly be downgraded.

But a man who is committed to a settlement and who believes the main obstacle is Turkey would have jumped at the opportunity to participate in such a meeting. It is not pragmatic to entertain the idea that Erdogan would ever sideline Talat and have a one-on-one meeting with Christofias about Cyprus.

The Turkish PM made a counter-proposal, which should not have been rejected outright by the president if he sincerely believes that he can persuade Erdogan to change his stance on the peace process. At such a meeting, he would have a good chance of achieving his objective because he would also have the backing of Greece’s Prime Minister, something that would strengthen his position.

It makes no rational sense to waste this opportunity on the grounds that the Republic would be downgraded. How would this happen? Would it cease being a member state of the UN or the EU, or would other countries recognise the ‘TRNC’ as a result? None of this would happen. As for Christofias’ conviction that “Turkey is in the orbit of a communications game, appearing to want solutions and making proposals,” there is only one way to prove it – by calling Erdogan’s bluff.

By rejecting the proposal for a five-party meeting outright, he is helping Turkey’s communications game to achieve its objective, which according to the president, was to show “that we do not care particularly for a solution to the problem”. This was why he should have responded diplomatically to Erdogan’s proposal rather than immediately rejecting it.

Perhaps Christofias and Talat can go as one Cypriot party.... and rotate.

[Acikgoz]

I find it hard to comprehend the argument that such a meeting would "upgrade the status of Talat."

Who is Christofias currently in dialogue with? What does that mean regarding the status of Talat? Are they not in the dialogue as two parts to the whole island?

Is it not argued that the Cyprus problem is one that first and foremost must be resolved by the Cypriots themselves?

Wasn't the argument that he would be a better interlocutor than Papadop with the North?

Christofias is looking like the new Denktas and look where that took him.

Keep saying NO, can't think of a better way to keep us apart, which is necessary given the malicious racism that exists in the South.