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[YFred]

Well I thought Expatkiwis post was sensible but of course Yfronts has to ruin it all

Ah reh yerocleos, bu ise, bos bais gumbare. Do you have any?

[YFred]

RoCy should look at the positive aspects. They would at least be talking to Turkey directly, and they could always refer to the TRNC delegation as the "Turkish Cypriot Community of Cyprus", if it will make them feel better...

You must not assume that GC Administration has any imagination. Zilch, I am afraid.

It imaginatively calls itself the "Republic of Cyprus" - and the whole world accepts this imagination. It even, imaginatively, has a senior government official of Armenian descent. Maybe you're the one who has no imagination. Zilch, I am afraid.

No, it was stolen, not imaginative at all!

[Malapapa]

RoCy should look at the positive aspects. They would at least be talking to Turkey directly, and they could always refer to the TRNC delegation as the "Turkish Cypriot Community of Cyprus", if it will make them feel better...

You must not assume that GC Administration has any imagination. Zilch, I am afraid.

It imaginatively calls itself the "Republic of Cyprus" - and the whole world accepts this imagination. It even, imaginatively, has a senior government official of Armenian descent. Maybe you're the one who has no imagination. Zilch, I am afraid.

No, it was stolen, not imaginative at all!

If indeed it was stolen, someone ought to take legal action. There are international laws you know. Ask Turkey! What's imaginative is how the "RoC" has managed to get away with this alleged misdemeanour, while Turkey finds it impossible to get away with its theft of the northern part of Cyprus. Where's Turkey's imagination?

[AWE]

back to the thread.

I understand why the RoC does not want 5 way talks under the UN with perhaps the EU and US as observers as they are fearful and it becoming AP5.

That said with the current talks going nowhere and the EU review of Turkey's accession process in December and a presidential election the the TRNC in April if the parties really do want a solution this century then this is about the only option.

[Piratis]

back to the thread.

I understand why the RoC does not want 5 way talks under the UN with perhaps the EU and US as observers as they are fearful and it becoming AP5.

That said with the current talks going nowhere and the EU review of Turkey's accession process in December and a presidential election the the TRNC in April if the parties really do want a solution this century then this is about the only option.

If you are in a hurry then the RoC government (which represents the vast majority of the Cypriot people) can prepare the solution plan and put it in a referendum in just a few days. (feel free to reject it)

If by "solution" you mean something imposed on the Cypriot people by foreign Imperialists which will only solve the problems of those Imperialists (e.g. EU accession of Turkey) and not the problems of the Cypriot people, then be certain we don't want such a "solution" either this century or the next.

[Oracle]

President Chrisotofias is absolutely right to turn down such a ridiculous proposal. Turkey is clearly playing games either to maintain the guarantor-ships or to synthesise another Annan-style plan.

All in all, this is not solution seeking and the sooner everyone realises Turkey is just wasting time, the sooner we can progress (with the EU only) towards a real solution by kicking Turkey off the 'negotiating' table and out of Cyprus.

[vaughanwilliams]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

[Tony-4497]

Christofias invited Erdogan to a direct discussion on the problem but he rejected this.

It is fine for the leaders of the 2 communities to be discussing local issues between them.

However, when it comes to bilateral issues between the 2 sovereign countries (EU member RoC and EU member-wannabe Turkey), such as the occupation of the former by the latter, the 2 heads of state should be talking directly.

It is about time RoC presidents realised the above, realised that they are an equal EU head of state, and stopped bending over all the bloody time.. if you keep bending over, don't later complain when someone takes advantage of your "position" to enjoy himself..

[Malapapa]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

[insan]

I think the RoC is being too sensitive about their perceived "status" at such a meeting. There are two main parties here GC's and TC's - forget about who is legally recognised and who isn't. The other three parties are interested parties in being Motherlands and/or in the case of Britain, as a guarantor.
If RoC maintains this stance it is saying that, for the sake of political point scoring, it doesn't really care enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with the TRNC.

The establishment of a "Turkish Republic" in Cyprus, for political point scoring, is the issue. By maintaining this illegitimate entity and protecting it with 40,000 troops it shows Turkey has never really cared enough to want to resolve this long overdue issue with Cyprus.

A jabber wocky parrot that keeps simplifying the issues by ignoring dialectics. IQ?