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[Get Real!]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

[YFred]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

[Tony-4497]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

[YFred]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

That's where it falls apart. What's is good for the goose is good for the gander. How did you manage to do that without the TC cooperation which is within the constitution. Only when it suits hey. You need to use persil, it does not wash very well otherwise. Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.
Gadalaves?

[Tony-4497]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

That's where it falls apart. What's is good for the goose is good for the gander. How did you manage to do that without the TC cooperation which is within the constitution. Only when it suits hey. You need to use persil, it does not wash very well otherwise. Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.
Gadalaves?

So your problem now is how the RoC was able to still make legal decisions after the departure of the TCs?

I don't think you realise that when TCs decided to leave the government in 1963 or so and seek partition, the world recognised the RoC with its amended constitution and ran by 82% of its legal population. Otherwise ANY decision it made would fall apart in front of international courts. If you have doubts, feel free to have a go at challenging this at any court.

I agree that "Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.". These will be ONLY those who had PUBLIC projects built on their properties, such as roads, hospitals, airports etc etc.

[YFred]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

That's where it falls apart. What's is good for the goose is good for the gander. How did you manage to do that without the TC cooperation which is within the constitution. Only when it suits hey. You need to use persil, it does not wash very well otherwise. Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.
Gadalaves?

So your problem now is how the RoC was able to still make legal decisions after the departure of the TCs?

I don't think you realise that when TCs decided to leave the government in 1963 or so and seek partition, the world recognised the RoC with its amended constitution and ran by 82% of its legal population. Otherwise ANY decision it made would fall apart in front of international courts. If you have doubts, feel free to have a go at challenging this at any court.

I agree that "Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.". These will be ONLY those who had PUBLIC projects built on their properties, such as roads, hospitals, airports etc etc.

With your untouchable gangs running around with impunity killing innocent civilians probably with the co-operation of your police force which I am aware of one personally, yeah we walked away. Keep on believing that and it will get us far, indeed as far apart as possible.

[insan]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

That's where it falls apart. What's is good for the goose is good for the gander. How did you manage to do that without the TC cooperation which is within the constitution. Only when it suits hey. You need to use persil, it does not wash very well otherwise. Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.
Gadalaves?

So your problem now is how the RoC was able to still make legal decisions after the departure of the TCs?

I don't think you realise that when TCs decided to leave the government in 1963 or so and seek partition, the world recognised the RoC with its amended constitution and ran by 82% of its legal population. Otherwise ANY decision it made would fall apart in front of international courts. If you have doubts, feel free to have a go at challenging this at any court.

I agree that "Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.". These will be ONLY those who had PUBLIC projects built on their properties, such as roads, hospitals, airports etc etc.

At least u recognized the "pseudo state" right to build roads, hospitals, airports, universities etc etc etc...

[Tony-4497]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

That's where it falls apart. What's is good for the goose is good for the gander. How did you manage to do that without the TC cooperation which is within the constitution. Only when it suits hey. You need to use persil, it does not wash very well otherwise. Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.
Gadalaves?

So your problem now is how the RoC was able to still make legal decisions after the departure of the TCs?

I don't think you realise that when TCs decided to leave the government in 1963 or so and seek partition, the world recognised the RoC with its amended constitution and ran by 82% of its legal population. Otherwise ANY decision it made would fall apart in front of international courts. If you have doubts, feel free to have a go at challenging this at any court.

I agree that "Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.". These will be ONLY those who had PUBLIC projects built on their properties, such as roads, hospitals, airports etc etc.

At least u recognized the "pseudo state" right to build roads, hospitals, airports, universities etc etc etc...

I don't recognise it now.. but in case of a solution such projects could be ratified retrospectively by the United RoC, BECAUSE they are PUBLIC developments

[Tony-4497]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

That's where it falls apart. What's is good for the goose is good for the gander. How did you manage to do that without the TC cooperation which is within the constitution. Only when it suits hey. You need to use persil, it does not wash very well otherwise. Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.
Gadalaves?

So your problem now is how the RoC was able to still make legal decisions after the departure of the TCs?

I don't think you realise that when TCs decided to leave the government in 1963 or so and seek partition, the world recognised the RoC with its amended constitution and ran by 82% of its legal population. Otherwise ANY decision it made would fall apart in front of international courts. If you have doubts, feel free to have a go at challenging this at any court.

I agree that "Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.". These will be ONLY those who had PUBLIC projects built on their properties, such as roads, hospitals, airports etc etc.

With your untouchable gangs running around with impunity killing innocent civilians probably with the co-operation of your police force which I am aware of one personally, yeah we walked away. Keep on believing that and it will get us far, indeed as far apart as possible.

right.. and that little group of holy men, TMT, were just up in the mountains picking up mushrooms and snails, eh? can start this whole discussion again if I have to.. but aren't you getting a bit bored of it?

[YFred]

You haven't said anything about the right of all TC land to be also returned to the rightful owners including the Larnaka airport land, or is it only the GCs who are entitled to that.

That's because you DON'T own the Larnaca airport land!

Thats fine, so long as we have an understanding that if any of it belongs to TCs, the land will be handed back, even if it is in the middle.
Do you understand what an understanding is? You don't have to stand up to under it.

Are you pretending you are not getting this? How many times does something need to be explained?

We live in the EU, under the rule of LAW, which is the same for all countries.. in fact all countries in the civilised world.

Any country is able to legally take land from citizens for PUBLIC projects, such as roads and airports.. this is done through courts and it involves fair compensation.. NO country anywhere is able to take land for other purposes, such as building villas.. all these laws can be challenged (and often are) at EU courts.

After a solution, everyone should have their properties back.. if the RoC has taken your property in a way that violates European law, then you will have it back through the courts.. the same will apply for GCs in the north..

What certainly CANNOT happen in my view is the negotiation of private property rights on a collective basis (using "criteria") by community leaders.. this is ILLEGAL and a recipe for disaster.

That's where it falls apart. What's is good for the goose is good for the gander. How did you manage to do that without the TC cooperation which is within the constitution. Only when it suits hey. You need to use persil, it does not wash very well otherwise. Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.
Gadalaves?

So your problem now is how the RoC was able to still make legal decisions after the departure of the TCs?

I don't think you realise that when TCs decided to leave the government in 1963 or so and seek partition, the world recognised the RoC with its amended constitution and ran by 82% of its legal population. Otherwise ANY decision it made would fall apart in front of international courts. If you have doubts, feel free to have a go at challenging this at any court.

I agree that "Just like some TCs are unable to get their property so will some GCs.". These will be ONLY those who had PUBLIC projects built on their properties, such as roads, hospitals, airports etc etc.

With your untouchable gangs running around with impunity killing innocent civilians probably with the co-operation of your police force which I am aware of one personally, yeah we walked away. Keep on believing that and it will get us far, indeed as far apart as possible.

right.. and that little group of holy men, TMT, were just up in the mountains picking up mushrooms and snails, eh? can start this whole discussion again if I have to.. but aren't you getting a bit bored of it?

The way I saw it, TMT protected the enclaves from 63 onwards with the TCs surrounded from all sides. We had to cross countless crossing checks to get anywhere not that different to what the Palestinians are suffering today under Israel. Are you seriously saying that what TMT did and what Eoka did amount to the same thing?
You must be furkin jokin man.