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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby halil » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:39 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
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halil wrote:‘Now it is time to find a solution in Cyprus and no one can tolerate the delaying tactics anymore’, Mr. Nami said.


Liar. I can tolerate them. They make perfect sense. And anyway, wasn't the solution in Cyprus found at the ECJ, not so long ago, when the Brits referred the Orams matter there?


Halil's "peace" is one to be found with 40,000 Turkish guns at our heads and over a cy coffee with mahalebbi on a Saturday morning.


U mean under the shadows of the EOKA man like u .
we are enjoying our peace and trust every saturday under the shadows of BUYUKHAN which u will never have .... such a peace in your mind ......
in your mind

try to stay in peace with your mind for a start than u will be come good Harikrishna .....
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby YFred » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:41 pm

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halil wrote:As the two leaders are continuing their discussions aimed at finding a lasting solution to the Cyprus problem the TRNC President’s Special Representative for talks with the UN and the EU Ozdil Nami has evaluated the property issue to the Bayrak Television.

Mr. Nami said the next stage in the process will be to determine by which method of settlement will be used in settling the various categorized properties and expressed the hope that the problems will be overcome by the will of the two leaders.

He also added that they will work to finalize the convergence paper on the categorization of properties in question.

Stating that there is no common decision about the next step and that the Turkish side will put forward solution proposals for each category, he said we will see how the Greek side will respond this.

“If they have constructive proposals we would evaluate them” Nami added.

Pointing out that during the beginning of the discussions on the property issue the two sides had differences on principles, he said despite of these differences, the two leaders had decided to intensify on designating different property categories in order to achieve progress on the property discussions while keeping their principles.

“There were similar approaches in the Annan Plan. This is a paper which involves approaches as to whether there are any developments on the property or not, whether this property is being used by another proprietor, or whether the return of the property is possible or not, or could it be classified in another category” he said.

Noting that the Turkish Side is attending the peace talks with a positive manner, he accused the Greek Cypriot press of showing an attitude which is against a solution in Cyprus.

‘Now it is time to find a solution in Cyprus and no one can tolerate the delaying tactics anymore’, Mr. Nami said.


It was announced that Christofias and Talat have now reached a deadlock on this, because of completely different views, and decided to "park" it and move on to other chapters.

The news reports said that their fundamental disagreement is that Christofias insists that the owner should have "first option" on choice between renstitution, exchange or compensation, whereas Talat insists that this right should belong to the current user (i.e. the thief).

What the hell is Christofias doing by agreeing to "park" this? This IS the Cyprus problem.. the difference of opinion as to whether the owner or the thief should have the real rights on the property..

By moving on to other issues ALL he is achieving is to:

1. KEEP making further unacceptable concessions to Turks in the last few areas where GCs have something more to give (governance, economy etc)

2. Continue to give Turkey an ALIBI in relation to its EU aoolication (if he chose to stick to the property issue until progress was made, the fact that Turkey spits on fundamental human rights and EU court decisions and that THIS is the reason for non-solution would be made clearly apparent).

This shows that his main objective is to keep "helping his friend Talat" and Turkey rather than demanding GC fundamental rights.

So long as you agree that the TCs have exactly the same right with all the TC lands in the south, inc Larnaka airport, then I will support you 1000%. But when you start saying if or but this and that the other, then we TCs stop listening old chap.
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby YFred » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:42 pm

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halil wrote:As the two leaders are continuing their discussions aimed at finding a lasting solution to the Cyprus problem the TRNC President’s Special Representative for talks with the UN and the EU Ozdil Nami has evaluated the property issue to the Bayrak Television.

Mr. Nami said the next stage in the process will be to determine by which method of settlement will be used in settling the various categorized properties and expressed the hope that the problems will be overcome by the will of the two leaders.

He also added that they will work to finalize the convergence paper on the categorization of properties in question.

Stating that there is no common decision about the next step and that the Turkish side will put forward solution proposals for each category, he said we will see how the Greek side will respond this.

“If they have constructive proposals we would evaluate them” Nami added.

Pointing out that during the beginning of the discussions on the property issue the two sides had differences on principles, he said despite of these differences, the two leaders had decided to intensify on designating different property categories in order to achieve progress on the property discussions while keeping their principles.

“There were similar approaches in the Annan Plan. This is a paper which involves approaches as to whether there are any developments on the property or not, whether this property is being used by another proprietor, or whether the return of the property is possible or not, or could it be classified in another category” he said.

Noting that the Turkish Side is attending the peace talks with a positive manner, he accused the Greek Cypriot press of showing an attitude which is against a solution in Cyprus.

‘Now it is time to find a solution in Cyprus and no one can tolerate the delaying tactics anymore’, Mr. Nami said.


It was announced that Christofias and Talat have now reached a deadlock on this, because of completely different views, and decided to "park" it and move on to other chapters.

The news reports said that their fundamental disagreement is that Christofias insists that the owner should have "first option" on choice between renstitution, exchange or compensation, whereas Talat insists that this right should belong to the current user (i.e. the thief).

What the hell is Christofias doing by agreeing to "park" this? This IS the Cyprus problem.. the difference of opinion as to whether the owner or the thief should have the real rights on the property..

By moving on to other issues ALL he is achieving is to:

1. KEEP making further unacceptable concessions to Turks in the last few areas where GCs have something more to give (governance, economy etc)

2. Continue to give Turkey an ALIBI in relation to its EU aoolication (if he chose to stick to the property issue until progress was made, the fact that Turkey spits on fundamental human rights and EU court decisions and that THIS is the reason for non-solution would be made clearly apparent).

This shows that his main objective is to keep "helping his friend Talat" and Turkey rather than demanding GC fundamental rights.

So long as you agree that the TCs have exactly the same right with all the TC lands in the south, inc Larnaka airport, then I will support you 1000%. But when you start saying if or but this and that the other, then we TCs stop listening old chap.

But don't start talking about ex or mex or hex or any other propriation, please. You can't have your cake and eat it.
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby Malapapa » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:44 pm

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halil wrote:‘Now it is time to find a solution in Cyprus and no one can tolerate the delaying tactics anymore’, Mr. Nami said.


Liar. I can tolerate them. They make perfect sense. And anyway, wasn't the solution in Cyprus found at the ECJ, not so long ago, when the Brits referred the Orams matter there?


No MP, cyprus problem was solved in '74 according to Denktash :wink:


You're right. I reckon poor Nami's confused. He doesn't realise he's actually trying to find a solution to the "Turkey problem". And that won't be anywhere near as easy. I think he's going to have to get used to delays; and learn to be more tolerant.
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby YFred » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:47 pm

Malapapa wrote:
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halil wrote:‘Now it is time to find a solution in Cyprus and no one can tolerate the delaying tactics anymore’, Mr. Nami said.


Liar. I can tolerate them. They make perfect sense. And anyway, wasn't the solution in Cyprus found at the ECJ, not so long ago, when the Brits referred the Orams matter there?


No MP, cyprus problem was solved in '74 according to Denktash :wink:


You're right. I reckon poor Nami's confused. He doesn't realise he's actually trying to find a solution to the "Turkey problem". And that won't be anywhere near as easy. I think he's going to have to get used to delays; and learn to be more tolerant.

Delays my left foot. Delay it all you like then start chasing you tail round and round in circles after the talks fail, come February.
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby Malapapa » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:00 pm

YFred wrote:
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halil wrote:‘Now it is time to find a solution in Cyprus and no one can tolerate the delaying tactics anymore’, Mr. Nami said.


Liar. I can tolerate them. They make perfect sense. And anyway, wasn't the solution in Cyprus found at the ECJ, not so long ago, when the Brits referred the Orams matter there?


No MP, cyprus problem was solved in '74 according to Denktash :wink:

Your stars must be alligned with him, as you seem to agree with him. :wink:


Denktash had a point though. In 1974, that hard-core, interfering, troublesome "minority-that-somehow-wasn't" which he claimed to represent cleared off up north, enabling the rest of Cyprus - after it had licked its wounds, come to terms with its loss, dusted itself off and got back up again - to fulfill its potential as a homogenous, modern and free European nation.... :wink:
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby Malapapa » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:08 pm

YFred wrote:Delays my left foot. Delay it all you like then start chasing you tail round and round in circles after the talks fail, come February.


Why should talks fail, YFred? Don't be so impatient. Don't be so intolerant. These things take time.
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby YFred » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:10 pm

Malapapa wrote:
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halil wrote:‘Now it is time to find a solution in Cyprus and no one can tolerate the delaying tactics anymore’, Mr. Nami said.


Liar. I can tolerate them. They make perfect sense. And anyway, wasn't the solution in Cyprus found at the ECJ, not so long ago, when the Brits referred the Orams matter there?


No MP, cyprus problem was solved in '74 according to Denktash :wink:

Your stars must be alligned with him, as you seem to agree with him. :wink:


Denktash had a point though. In 1974, that hard-core, interfering, troublesome "minority-that-somehow-wasn't" which he claimed to represent cleared off up north, enabling the rest of Cyprus - after it had licked its wounds, come to terms with its loss, dusted itself off and got back up again - to fulfill its potential as a homogenous, modern and free European nation.... :wink:

..... only after they stole our identity and with all the help in the world.

Did you say that with one breath or did you pause in the middle somewhere. You must learn to use the full stop and all that.
Up the Gunners and down with the yids.
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby YFred » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:14 pm

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YFred wrote:Delays my left foot. Delay it all you like then start chasing you tail round and round in circles after the talks fail, come February.


Why should talks fail, YFred? Don't be so impatient. Don't be so intolerant. These things take time.

Youv'e had 35 years and you wish for more time. Danderasu je da vlanjasu my grandmother used to say.

You have till Feb and then forget negotiations.
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Re: Cyprus Property Talks..................

Postby Malapapa » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:17 pm

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YFred wrote:Delays my left foot. Delay it all you like then start chasing you tail round and round in circles after the talks fail, come February.


Why should talks fail, YFred? Don't be so impatient. Don't be so intolerant. These things take time.

Youv'e had 35 years and you wish for more time. Danderasu je da vlanjasu my grandmother used to say.

You have till Feb and then forget negotiations.


Why? Will Turkey walk away? How will that help solve the Turkey problem?
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