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[bill cobbett]

A reminder, if it were needed, that Turkey is up before the ECHR Grand Chamber again this coming Wednesday 18th Nov at 9.15am with claims against it from several refugees.

... but a purpose of this hearing is to decide the effectiveness or otherwise of Tnucland's, "only two cases of restitution in over 100 cases, only apply and speak in Turkish" Property Commission Pollocks Scam.

The ECHR does do delayed webcasts of some of its hearing, but this one won't be broadcast and as we can't find Strasbourg or Luxembourg on the London Tube map Jerry and I won't be going. (Are we Jerry? What's the fare mate? I've nothing better to do.... joke)

Here is an extract from " http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view. ... udoc-cc-en " where it refers to some occupied villages which will be of interest to some here. In fact I'll go and highlight the villages.


1. Demopoulos. 46113/99

4. The first applicant stated that he owns seventeen plots of land in Morphou. These plots were surrounded by fences, planted with trees and consisted of a residence, storage rooms, water installations, tractors and machines. Moreover, he claims to own a further nine plots of land situated in Morphou. One of these plots had been separated into nine building sites. The applicant also intended to turn the remainder of the plots into building sites and had to that effect lodged applications with the land authorities. Furthermore, he stated that he owns and/or partly owns two plots of land situated in Galini, on one of which he planned to build a hotel.
5. The second applicant claimed to own five plots of land situated in Galini as well as half a share in a plot of land in Derinia. In addition, she owned six plots of land in Kato Zodia, that she intended to turn into building plots.
6. Finally, the third applicant claimed to be the owner of a plot of land in Morphou and a house built thereon, as well as the latter's contents which comprised a collection of antiques and a selection of domestic equipment. Ownership of this property was transferred to her by her father (the first applicant) in 1997. This house was the family home of all the applicants.
On 28 May 2003, the applicants sought to add nine further properties to their application. On 27 June 2008, they sent a letter identifying eleven more properties. Details of all properties are contained in the file.
2. Chrysostomi 3843/02

7. The applicant is the owner of six plots of land in the town of Famagusta as well as two plots of land in the village of Dherynia. She is also the owner of, inter alia, two houses, one of which was the home where she lived with her family, an orange grove and four shops, all situated on certain of the above-mentioned plots of land. These properties were transferred by way of gift to the applicant by her mother on 6 June 1974. She maintained that from then onwards the income from renting out the four shops and from the produce of the orange grove belonged to her.
3. Lordos and Lourdou Anastasiadou 13751/02

8. The applicants are father and daughter. They were both born and raised in Famagusta. The first applicant is the owner or part owner of a substantial amount of immovable property situated in Famagusta and Kyrenia (169 listed items). This includes a considerable number of plots of land, buildings, flats, shops, houses and hotels: this included approximately 134 plots of land and/or building sites and/or fields, 17 flats, six shops, three buildings, four houses and two hotels (details contained in the file). Some of the property was acquired before 1974; other property was obtained by transfer or inheritance subsequently. Furthermore, both applicants had had their home in Famagusta in property in an apartment block purchased by the first applicant for himself, his wife and his daughter, the second applicant.
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4. Kanari-Eliadou and Others 13466/03

9. The applicants were all born and raised in the village of Ayios Georgios, Kyrenia. The second and third applicants are husband and wife.
10. The applicants own the following immovable property in the district of Kyrenia: the first applicant owns a plot with a fully furnished house, which had been acquired in 1962 and was used as her home. The second applicant owns five plots of land, one of which was cultivated with olive trees, and all of which had been acquired on 29 August 1989. The third applicant owns a plot with a house, one floor of which had been used partly as the home of the second and third applicants and the other rented out. The fourth applicant owns, in whole or part, 30 plots of land, including one plot with a fully-furnished house and the others consisting of fields or plots with lemon or olive trees, and some of which had been acquired after 1974.
11. Details of the properties are contained in the file.
5. Sotirou and Moushoutta 10200/04

12. The applicants own immovable property in the districts of Kyrenia and Nicosia (the part under the control of the Turkish armed forces). The first applicant owns, wholly or in part, seven properties: six fields and one plot with house and garden. The second applicant owns, wholly or in part, three properties: two fields with trees and a building site with trees. Some of these properties were acquired after 1974. Details of the properties are in the file.
6. Stylas 14163/2004

13. The applicant claimed to be the owner or part owner of the following immovable property in the district of Nicosia (the part under the control of the Turkish armed forces): five plots with house and garden, ten plots consisting of a field and a plot of a field containing olive trees (details contained in the file). Some of the properties were owned by the applicant before 1974; other properties were inherited since.
7. Charalambou Onoufriou and Others 19993/04

14. The applicants are a family. The first and fourth applicants are husband and wife and the second and third applicants are their sons. They are all from Morphou.
15. The first, second and third applicants owned or own, or partly own, the following immovable property in Morphou, in the District of Nicosia: the first applicant owned four properties, a house with a barn, byre and garden which was the home of the applicants, a plot with orange trees and two fields; the second applicant owns four plots (two orange groves and two fields) acquired by gift from his father in 1996; the third applicant owns five plots (three fields and two gardens) acquired by way of gift from his parents in 1996. The deceased fourth applicant owned a third share in an orange plantation and two rooms, acquired on 18 September 1997 by way of gift from his father. In 2006, the first applicant transferred her properties to the second and third applicants.
8. Chrisostomou 21819/04

16. Before 20 July 1974 the applicant used to live in the town of Famagusta. She owns, in whole or part, eight plots of immovable property in Famagusta and Derynia, including buildings, two apartments (one of which was her home), a shop and fields. Some properties were acquired after 1974. Most of the properties are in a closed area under the direct military control of Turkey. Details of the properties are in the file.

[bill cobbett]

Just checked the latest press release on this hearing.....

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view. ... udoc-pr-en



The hearing will be broadcast from 2.30 p.m. on the Court’s Internet site .... http://www.echr.coe.int



(Not sure of the time zone, think it's GMT+1)

[Jerry]

Thanks for that Bill, are you going to refund the Eurostar ticket I bought for you!

[YFred]

Just checked the latest press release on this hearing.....

http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view. ... udoc-pr-en



The hearing will be broadcast from 2.30 p.m. on the Court’s Internet site .... http://www.echr.coe.int



(Not sure of the time zone, think it's GMT+1)

I am holding my breath, for gowd sake when will we know?
Pay the man you mean old sod. That's the last time I invite you to free Lurucina for a we dram of free zivania, you swainia.

[bill cobbett]

Well boys, at the mo can't find the link to the promised broadcast. Anyone had any better luck?

(Had a look at past broadcasts, unedited with full colour video and very clear sound.)

[bill cobbett]

Just been made available.....


Links at http://www.echr.coe.int/ECHR/EN/Header/ ... +hearings/


I'm so excited. Popcorn anyone?

[Jerry]

Really interesting Bill. Thanks for the link. The Court's decision will be a political one. The arguments were of a political nature, it could go either way in my opinion (for what its worth). The man sitting next to Sir Michael Wood looked very much like the BRS counsel who was told to sit down in the Court of Appeal last week, it's difficult to be sure because he was not wearing his wig. I was surprised that little or no mention was made of the number of seettlers and carpetbaggers occupying GC property.

[bill cobbett]

Really interesting Bill. Thanks for the link. The Court's decision will be a political one. The arguments were of a political nature, it could go either way in my opinion (for what its worth). The man sitting next to Sir Michael Wood looked very much like the BRS counsel who was told to sit down in the Court of Appeal last week, it's difficult to be sure because he was not wearing his wig. I was surprised that little or no mention was made of the number of seettlers and carpetbaggers occupying GC property.

Hi Jerry,

Just had a second look and it may well the same chap.

Haven't heard anything like the huge number of legal references to laws, legal authorities etc that we heard last week. It's been entirely about the effectivess or otherwise of the Scammy Property Corporation, so have to agree this will be of a far more political nature, but one that will have to be justified by the history, performance and judgments of this scabby body.