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[observer]

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Still clinging to a document now a quarter of a century old with about as much relevance as the church’s declaration that the earth is the centre of the universe (which actually makes sense, as many GCs think that it is Cyprus that is at the centre of the universe).

[Get Real!]

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Still clinging to a document now a quarter of a century old with about as much relevance as the church’s declaration that the earth is the centre of the universe (which actually makes sense, as many GCs think that it is Cyprus that is at the centre of the universe).

It’s that good old document that smacks you right in the face every day of your miserable lives ever since your ethnic cleansing of indigenous Cypriots and your attempts to legalize your crimes.

[Floda]

Still clinging to a document now a quarter of a century old with about as much relevance as the church’s declaration that the earth is the centre of the universe (which actually makes sense, as many GCs think that it is Cyprus that is at the centre of the universe).

If one wishes to think along the lines you indicate above, it would be far more accurate to assume that 'Israel' is the centre of the universe since it would appear that they have 'Carte Blanche' (courtesy of the US and UK) to pursue whatever objectives they may wish, wherever and whenever they wish.

On THAT note (and line of thinking) the Cyprus situation, which appears to be so difficult to resolve, may well be the result of Israel's (behind the scenes) interference and, in short words, whatever negotiations take place in the efforts to resolve the problems, if they do not suit Israel, they will not happen.

Worth thinking about (IMHO)

[observer]

Still clinging to a document now a quarter of a century old with about as much relevance as the church’s declaration that the earth is the centre of the universe (which actually makes sense, as many GCs think that it is Cyprus that is at the centre of the universe).

If one wishes to think along the lines you indicate above, it would be far more accurate to assume that 'Israel' is the centre of the universe since it would appear that they have 'Carte Blanche' (courtesy of the US and UK) to pursue whatever objectives they may wish, wherever and whenever they wish.

On THAT note (and line of thinking) the Cyprus situation, which appears to be so difficult to resolve, may well be the result of Israel's (behind the scenes) interference and, in short words, whatever negotiations take place in the efforts to resolve the problems, if they do not suit Israel, they will not happen.

Worth thinking about (IMHO)

An interesting point, but one about which I have no information.

I believe that one of the first UN decisions on Israel was to create it from land Palestinians considered theirs. The world’s geo-politics change, however, and Israel is now the UN’s favourite punch bag.

Clinging to a document a quarter of a century old, produced at the height of The Cold War, has about as much relevance as Palestinian clinging to the title deeds of his house in Jaffa (if you prefer).

[observer]

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Still clinging to a document now a quarter of a century old with about as much relevance as the church’s declaration that the earth is the centre of the universe (which actually makes sense, as many GCs think that it is Cyprus that is at the centre of the universe).

It’s that good old document that smacks you right in the face every day of your miserable lives ever since your ethnic cleansing of indigenous Cypriots and your attempts to legalize your crimes.

Actually, it makes no difference at all to my daily life (quite a happy one thank you!), possibly as I have never ethnically cleansed anyone in my life, though long ago I did see the Turkish army prevent it happening.

[Sotos]

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Still clinging to a document now a quarter of a century old with about as much relevance as the church’s declaration that the earth is the centre of the universe (which actually makes sense, as many GCs think that it is Cyprus that is at the centre of the universe).

It’s that good old document that smacks you right in the face every day of your miserable lives ever since your ethnic cleansing of indigenous Cypriots and your attempts to legalize your crimes.

Actually, it makes no difference at all to my daily life (quite a happy one thank you!), possibly as I have never ethnically cleansed anyone in my life, though long ago I did see the Turkish army prevent it happening.

Everybody knows that the Turks ethnically cleansed 200.000 Cypriot people. Or maybe it is the Turks who build all those Greek orthodox churches and ancient Greek sites in the occupied areas? You are criminal barbarians invaders who are illegally in Cyprus and everybody knows this. That is why Europeans don't want you in EU.

[observer]

Sotos wrote:

Everybody knows that the Turks ethnically cleansed 200.000 Cypriot people. Or maybe it is the Turks who build all those Greek orthodox churches and ancient Greek sites in the occupied areas? You are criminal barbarians invaders who are illegally in Cyprus and everybody knows this. That is why Europeans don't want you in EU.

Back in the real world, most people don’t know where Cyprus is. Of those that do, only some know that Cyprus is divided. Of those that do know, and have studied the matter more objectively, the brief background is that GCs tried to force the island into a union with Greece that a substantial number (not all of them TCs) didn’t want. A Greek/GC coup to bring about this union was put to an end by the arrival of the Turkish Army. Cypriots have been unable to agree on any set of proposals that would re-unite the two Cypriot communities since 1963/1974 (I’m flexible over dates).

There is opposition to Turkey joining the EU (inside Turkey too) and the reason is a little more complicated than your comic book interpretation. A major reason is the introduction of majority voting and heving seats by proportion of population. As Turkey would have the second biggest block of EuroMPs in the European Parliament after Germany, other countries (especially France) are keen to prevent this happening so that they don't lose influence.

[Sotos]

Sotos wrote:

Everybody knows that the Turks ethnically cleansed 200.000 Cypriot people. Or maybe it is the Turks who build all those Greek orthodox churches and ancient Greek sites in the occupied areas? You are criminal barbarians invaders who are illegally in Cyprus and everybody knows this. That is why Europeans don't want you in EU.

Back in the real world, most people don’t know where Cyprus is. Of those that do, only some know that Cyprus is divided. Of those that do know, and have studied the matter more objectively, the brief background is that GCs tried to force the island into a union with Greece that a substantial number (not all of them TCs) didn’t want. A Greek/GC coup to bring about this union was put to an end by the arrival of the Turkish Army. Cypriots have been unable to agree on any set of proposals that would re-unite the two Cypriot communities since 1963/1974 (I’m flexible over dates).

And of those that studied it a bit more know that Turkey ethnically cleansed close to 200.000 Greek Cypriots. You know it too but you prefer to lie as it doesn't suit you.

There is opposition to Turkey joining the EU (inside Turkey too) and the reason is a little more complicated than your comic book interpretation. A major reason is the introduction of majority voting and heving seats by proportion of population. As Turkey would have the second biggest block of EuroMPs in the European Parliament after Germany, other countries (especially France) are keen to prevent this happening so that they don't lose influence.

Polls among European people show that the majority of Europeans don't want Turkey in EU. Nothing to do with what you say. The reason is the Europeans do not want their countries being flooded with people whose culture is not European and are incompatible with Europe in the same way they are incompatible with Cyprus.

[Nikitas]

How does all the above change my rights as a resident of the north till 1974?

Not at all. My rights cannot be changed by any recognition. Exactly as the rights of Greeks of Istanbul come back to haunt the Turks today. The rest is all bullshit.

[Floda]

Still clinging to a document now a quarter of a century old with about as much relevance as the church’s declaration that the earth is the centre of the universe (which actually makes sense, as many GCs think that it is Cyprus that is at the centre of the universe).

If one wishes to think along the lines you indicate above, it would be far more accurate to assume that 'Israel' is the centre of the universe since it would appear that they have 'Carte Blanche' (courtesy of the US and UK) to pursue whatever objectives they may wish, wherever and whenever they wish.

On THAT note (and line of thinking) the Cyprus situation, which appears to be so difficult to resolve, may well be the result of Israel's (behind the scenes) interference and, in short words, whatever negotiations take place in the efforts to resolve the problems, if they do not suit Israel, they will not happen.

Worth thinking about (IMHO)

An interesting point, but one about which I have no information.

I believe that one of the first UN decisions on Israel was to create it from land Palestinians considered theirs. The world’s geo-politics change, however, and Israel is now the UN’s favourite punch bag.

Clinging to a document a quarter of a century old, produced at the height of The Cold War, has about as much relevance as Palestinian clinging to the title deeds of his house in Jaffa (if you prefer).

Whether one considers the situation in Cyprus (from the G/C's point of view) or the lands of Palestine (from the Palestinians point of view) the fact IS that the US and UK are wholly responsible for both situations.

Unfortunately, in Cyprus, the T/C's have somehow become politically allied to Turkey in the same manner as the Jews have become allied to the Israelis which, in my opinion is quite unfortunate since there is no comparison to either of the two examples.

It suits the politicians fine, to see friction and hatred between the populations of the same nation/country since, having engineered the problems, they are quite free to manipulate the situations in any manner which will serve their ultimate objectives (whatever they may be) in any manner they see fit.

As to your remark regarding Israel being the favourite 'Punchbag', I think they are favoured in a substantially different way, that they are in fact given complete authority to oppress and persecute the Palestinian people without fear of reprimand (despite the constant wailing in the press about how badly THEY have been treated) which they persistently do.

Thus, the Israeli is using the awful past history of the suffering Jews as a political tool to inflict persecution upon others and steal their lands, ALL with full permission and backing of their allies the US/UK.

And where does Cyprus fit in with all this ?, the geographical position of the island and it's proximity to Israel is clear enough (if you think on it) IMHO.