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[bill cobbett]

To The Ex-Pats of the Occupied North .....

To those of you who seem to have got in to a spot of bother by occupying property in the Dodgy Esdeger or Exchange Land Scam or by occupying property through other arrangements with the Illegal Regime.

Some will have known what they were doing, that they were taking on the occupation of property that wasn't the property of the seller to sell and were prepared to take a gamble, one that has certainly caused a lot of people a lot of misery and may well back-fire catastrophically in the days to come.

Others may have acted in better faith and may have been guilty of nothing more than leaving their brains at home and, with minimal checks, were taken in by the sun and sea and the very attractive promise of a comfortable and desirable life-style and bought on the strength of the Esdeger Exchange Scam. Regretfully, I have to say that ignorance of the law is never a defence.

Hear various politicians in the Occupied North have made grand statements to the effect that purchases are in some way guaranteed but suspect that these "guarantees" are as valuable as the Dodgy Kochans.

Let me declare my obvious interest and my clear bias towards the Noble Cause of the good people of the Free Areas of the Republic, but would ask you to look beyond my bias and the opposing bias of those loyal to the Illegal Regime of the ""tnc ...trk ..... " (erm how do you spell it? Oh yes...) Tnucland; and to consider, in the cold light of day given unfolding events, your own personal interests, to step aside from those who have a wider political interest (yep like me) and look at this from a perspective of what might best benefit you. Stress that all I suggest is that you consider the following and that further you might want look at this as a fall-back position, a bit of insurance, something to put on the back-boiler for action at some time in the future.

As all will know, when the ECHR considers situations of invasion and occupation, this noble body holds that the occupying power is also what it calls the "controlling power". In the case of the Occupied Areas of CY, that power is Turkey, which is why in all the CY related cases, Turkey has been the defendant at the ECHR. All that transpires in the Occupied North is deemed to be within the control of Turkey including the mis-selling of land based on the Esdeger Scam, which leads me on to say that the ex-pats of the Occupied North have been mis-sold titles to property in an area within the control of Turkey in a Property Scam within the control of Turkey. The ECHR will see it in this same way.

So ex-pats of the Occupied North, there is the route, there is your insurance policy, the only way out I fear. I would respectfully suggest you consider this path to protect your interests - to have this course of action at the back of your minds ... to consider hauling Turkey before the ECHR either individually or of course in groups, to bring Turkey to task for any possible losses including the anxiety this whole scammy mess has caused many of you. I think it's something you should all start thinking about.

Can I finish by saying that applications to the ECHR can be piss easy, although in your cases better to engage solicitors. Anyone can do it. Mrs C and I did it a few years ago! This was a matter of a small dispute with our local council here in London, so we took the UK to the ECHR! We lost, but expected to lose. We made our point. Had our day in a virtual court. It cost us nothing, save the cost of an envelope and a postage stamp!

The application forms are down-loadable from the ECHR site.

Regards

Billc. .... Unofficial Legal Advisor to the Ex-pats of the Occupied North

[YFred]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

[Jerry]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

[YFred]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

So if the EU is not so principled then who's interests is it serving?

[bill cobbett]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

So if the EU is not so principled then who's interests is it serving?

Yes of course Mrs C and I went to the ECHR on and as a matter of principle.

[YFred]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

So if the EU is not so principled then who's interests is it serving?

Yes of course Mrs C and I went to the ECHR on and as a matter of principle.

So considering that ECHR is the most principled court in the eu how did you lose?

[bill cobbett]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

So if the EU is not so principled then who's interests is it serving?

Yes of course Mrs C and I went to the ECHR on and as a matter of principle.

So considering that ECHR is the most principled court in the eu how did you lose?

Freddie, in a way we did win, cos we made our point but getting back to the OP, do you agree this is an option? A way for the real cost of this mis-selling (to give it a polite name) to be borne by the real culprit in all this Turkey, and not by mis-guided, and in some cases, duped ex-pats?

[YFred]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

So if the EU is not so principled then who's interests is it serving?

Yes of course Mrs C and I went to the ECHR on and as a matter of principle.

So considering that ECHR is the most principled court in the eu how did you lose?

Freddie, in a way we did win, cos we made our point but getting back to the OP, do you agree this is an option? A way for the real cost of this mis-selling (to give it a polite name) to be borne by the real culprit in all this Turkey, and not by mis-guided, and in some cases, duped ex-pats?

Bill, we agree that the ex-pats are not at fault. TRNC making it legal is at fault. Turkey controling TRNC is at fault. RoC stretching the peace negotiation for 35 years is the real culprit and also at fault. We are not that far appart. If it turns out that the deal to be accepted is a deal offered in 1977 and was turned down by the roc then the blame is fully with the roc. Do you understand where I am coming from.
In this mess there is no heros dressed in white and badies dressed in black like the old westerns.

[bill cobbett]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

So if the EU is not so principled then who's interests is it serving?

Yes of course Mrs C and I went to the ECHR on and as a matter of principle.

So considering that ECHR is the most principled court in the eu how did you lose?

Freddie, in a way we did win, cos we made our point but getting back to the OP, do you agree this is an option? A way for the real cost of this mis-selling (to give it a polite name) to be borne by the real culprit in all this Turkey, and not by mis-guided, and in some cases, duped ex-pats?

Bill, we agree that the ex-pats are not at fault. TRNC making it legal is at fault. Turkey controling TRNC is at fault. RoC stretching the peace negotiation for 35 years is the real culprit and also at fault. We are not that far appart. If it turns out that the deal to be accepted is a deal offered in 1977 and was turned down by the roc then the blame is fully with the roc. Do you understand where I am coming from.
In this mess there is no heros dressed in white and badies dressed in black like the old westerns.

Freddie, Freddie, Freddie. Naughty, naughty Freddie.

What was saying, some are at fault, they knew what they were doing, others may have gone in with rose-coloured glasse and didn't do their research, tempts by bargain prices, but it doesn't matter cos am suggesting a way out, with the tab picked up by Turkey.

The RoC isn't seen to be the controlling power in the north so the rest is not of consequence.

[YFred]

Billy boy, you should be done for wasting the court's time. Why did you go to court for something you knew you could't win? Ma ise delya bellos.

Simple answer Fred - PRINCIPLES

So if the EU is not so principled then who's interests is it serving?

Yes of course Mrs C and I went to the ECHR on and as a matter of principle.

So considering that ECHR is the most principled court in the eu how did you lose?

Freddie, in a way we did win, cos we made our point but getting back to the OP, do you agree this is an option? A way for the real cost of this mis-selling (to give it a polite name) to be borne by the real culprit in all this Turkey, and not by mis-guided, and in some cases, duped ex-pats?

Bill, we agree that the ex-pats are not at fault. TRNC making it legal is at fault. Turkey controling TRNC is at fault. RoC stretching the peace negotiation for 35 years is the real culprit and also at fault. We are not that far appart. If it turns out that the deal to be accepted is a deal offered in 1977 and was turned down by the roc then the blame is fully with the roc. Do you understand where I am coming from.
In this mess there is no heros dressed in white and badies dressed in black like the old westerns.

Freddie, Freddie, Freddie. Naughty, naughty Freddie.

What was saying, some are at fault, they knew what they were doing, others may have gone in with rose-coloured glasse and didn't do their research, tempts by bargain prices, but it doesn't matter cos am suggesting a way out, with the tab picked up by Turkey.

The RoC isn't seen to be the controlling power in the north so the rest is not of consequence.

You see Bill, see if this makes it clearer. A girl walks the street. A man propositions. Which is at fault. Both are.

Ask yourself this question. If after 5 years of negotiation there was a settlement, then would any TC have needed to sell their esdeger. The question is who made this mess, and half of the cause is the roc. I have no patience left with those who implement the law. Reason? The law is created to look after the rich and clobber the poor. As much as we like to think that the law has principle, it has none. I would go further and say that the prostitute has more principle than the law.

Look at the behaviour of USA towards Israel. Get my drift. UN has lost all its credibility if it ever had any.