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What would you sacrifice for a solution?

Postby YFred » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:56 pm

Does the Greek Cypriot administration really want a peace settlement, judging by the simple activity of the offerings for the status quo suggests otherwise. With what they stand to lose with new settlements how on earth can the GC vote for peace?

The real question is what’s in it for the GC administration?

What would you sacrifice for a solution?
By Loucas Charalambous

FORMER DISY MEP and deputy, Panayiotis Demetriou wrote a wonderful article a few days ago. It was undoubtedly the best-argued article about the Cyprus problem I have read in the last few months.

Sticking to rational arguments, Demetriou identified certain truths about the prevailing political mentality, which, in my view, has not just appeared but had been evident for decades. The article argued that the anti-solution way of thinking had been systematically cultivated and that the Greek Cypriots could not swallow the idea of power-sharing with the Turkish Cypriots.

He also wrote about the illusion that there could be a settlement other than federation or partition and that we had become addicted to nice-sounding slogans and patriotic platitudes. Demetriou warned that if the occupation and influx of Turkish settlers was not halted through a compromise deal between the two sides, “the free part of Cyprus would have to live with the constant threat of being swallowed up by Turkey at the first opportunity that arises.”

I will disagree on just one point made by Demetriou. He wrote: “The ordinary citizen was not allowed to understand that the choice is solution or partition.” I believe the average Greek Cypriot knows perfectly well that these are his two choices. Even if we accept that in the first years after the invasion, because of the rampant demagoguery, he was under the illusion that we could secure the perfect solution, it is hard to believe that after the passing of almost four decades, he has still not come to terms with reality.

I cannot believe that there are many Greek Cypriots who have still not understood what Glafcos Clerides had said as far back as 1974: “The unproductive passing of time will cement the effects of the invasion and make the settlement increasingly more difficult to achieve.”

The problem is elsewhere. The overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots consciously favour partition as a settlement. This not because they are unaware of the dangers involved, but because they feel that it suits their personal interests. The result of the 2004 referendum was, to a large extent determined by this way of thinking. They voted against a settlement because they believed that it would threaten their pockets.

After all, successive governments have given financial incentives to people to oppose a settlement. For example, the state offered an allowance for the purchase of a home by young people classed as ‘refugees’ – the offspring of half the population of Cyprus. In 2004, the allowance was £11,000 and countless young people voted ‘no’ for fear of losing the state assistance they were entitled to if there was a settlement.

It is easy to estimate how many thousands of young people would vote ‘no’ in a new referendum now that the allowance has been tripled and is €50,000. Who will sacrifice €50,000 for a settlement?

Needless to say, the first people who allowed their personal interest to determine their stand on a settlement are the politicians. It is no accident that the big majority campaigned against the Annan plan. The president did not want to lose the presidency, the ministers their ministries, the deputies their seats and all of them, their salaries and tax-free allowances.

It is not that the smart Cypriots are unaware of the dilemma – ‘solution or partition’ – and of the danger that one day we could be swallowed up by Turkey. Of course they are aware of these things. However, for the sake of their pockets, they are happy to swallow 10 partitions.
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Postby Malapapa » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:59 pm

Cyprus Turks.
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Postby YFred » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:35 pm

Malapapa wrote:Cyprus Turks.

You can't sacrifice something that does not belong to you, old chap. Now, where are your manners?
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Postby Malapapa » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:51 pm

You're right. They certainly don't belong in Cyprus.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:06 pm

Malapapa wrote:You're right. They certainly don't belong in Cyprus.


And its an attitude like that that ensures that the TRNC's reason for existance remains so. The biggest enemies of solution in Cyprus are hard-headed Greek Cypriots.
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Postby YFred » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:09 pm

Malapapa wrote:You're right. They certainly don't belong in Cyprus.

How long have you been feeling this way? that you are Cyprus! Have you considered the NHS in Nottingham? Perhaps you can move back to Highbury/Emirates, there is plenty of help for all old spurs fans to be brought back to the real football game.
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Postby insan » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:10 pm

Malapapa wrote:You're right. They certainly don't belong in Cyprus.


Since when? Ottoman Rule? British Rule? 1960? 1963? 1974? 1983? 2004? When exactly did u sincerely think that we belong to Cyprus?

Or, only if we lick ur arses with the words u like? :lol:
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Postby Malapapa » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:22 pm

insan wrote:
Malapapa wrote:You're right. They certainly don't belong in Cyprus.


Since when? Ottoman Rule? British Rule? 1960? 1963? 1974? 1983? 2004? When exactly did u sincerely think that we belong to Cyprus?

Or, only if we lick ur arses with the words u like? :lol:


2009. When Turkish Cypriots officially ceased to exist.
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Postby insan » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:25 pm

Malapapa wrote:
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Malapapa wrote:You're right. They certainly don't belong in Cyprus.


Since when? Ottoman Rule? British Rule? 1960? 1963? 1974? 1983? 2004? When exactly did u sincerely think that we belong to Cyprus?

Or, only if we lick ur arses with the words u like? :lol:


2009. When Turkish Cypriots officially ceased to exist.


Ohh... in ur dreams or what? :lol: Is 2009 the year we reduced tallking abt the things u like? :wink:
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Postby YFred » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:27 pm

Malapapa wrote:
insan wrote:
Malapapa wrote:You're right. They certainly don't belong in Cyprus.


Since when? Ottoman Rule? British Rule? 1960? 1963? 1974? 1983? 2004? When exactly did u sincerely think that we belong to Cyprus?

Or, only if we lick ur arses with the words u like? :lol:


2009. When Turkish Cypriots officially ceased to exist.

Now that's a very strange sensation indeed. There’s me thinking that I no longer exist but I must do to be able to post this. How do you explain this phenomenon old chap?
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