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[YFred]

Pello Turco is a term I first saw used by TCs on this forum.

There is also the term "vermin" used by TCs for GCs, which is officially recorded by UN personnel. I first came across that term reading UN reports.

As for the sacrifice issue, why sacrifice anything for a solution? Who came up with that notion?

That is very interesting, because I am not aware of such a word in Turkish. Can somebody enlighten us as to what vermin means in TC lingo.

[vaughanwilliams]

haşarat? I think Gavur(spelling?) is a great one. It applies to me, but I don't mind.

[YFred]

haşarat? I think Gavur(spelling?) is a great one. It applies to me, but I don't mind.

I have never heard the word haşarat - has any TC ever heard of it or used it?
Gavur I have heard but I always thought it means enemy. I think of vermin as rats and cockroaches pigeons. No?

[Raymanoff]

i Would sacrifice a mainland turk... or a couple... or more.

[YFred]

i Would sacrifice a mainland turk... or a couple... or more.

E Turci enna se sassun reh shillayev. Nyet?

[wallace]

i Would sacrifice a mainland turk... or a couple... or more.

E Turci enna se sassun reh shillayev. Nyet?

I would sacrifice your ass Y-Fuck

[Tony-4497]

In 2004, the allowance was £11,000 and countless young people voted ‘no’ for fear of losing the state assistance they were entitled to if there was a settlement.

Another classic case of this particular author talking out of his backside..

How does he know that "countless" people voted No for this reason? 11k does not even buy you a garage.. an average residential plot of land in Limassol will set you back 300k..

Would any reasonable person not prefer to take back ANY property he might have had in the occupied areas just in order to get 11k? The only refugees that could have had this as a motive are those who had nothing at all.. zero.. and I don't think there are many of those.. and even in that case, 11k would have been a pretty minor consideration.

The reasons for the No are well known, and for as long as Christofias ignores those and fails to address them (similar to the likes of this clown), there is no chance of a solution.

[YFred]

In 2004, the allowance was £11,000 and countless young people voted ‘no’ for fear of losing the state assistance they were entitled to if there was a settlement.

Another classic case of this particular author talking out of his backside..

How does he know that "countless" people voted No for this reason? 11k does not even buy you a garage.. an average residential plot of land in Limassol will set you back 300k..

Would any reasonable person not prefer to take back ANY property he might have had in the occupied areas just in order to get 11k? The only refugees that could have had this as a motive are those who had nothing at all.. zero.. and I don't think there are many of those.. and even in that case, 11k would have been a pretty minor consideration.

The reasons for the No are well known, and for as long as Christofias ignores those and fails to address them (similar to the likes of this clown), there is no chance of a solution.

So the beloved president crying on TV for people to vote no and the Priest saying people who vote yes will go to hell, had no effect what so ever and was a very fair election then?

What's the purpose of increasing the 11 K to 50K? What will that buy in Dali or Bodamya?

[Malapapa]

In 2004, the allowance was £11,000 and countless young people voted ‘no’ for fear of losing the state assistance they were entitled to if there was a settlement.

Another classic case of this particular author talking out of his backside..

How does he know that "countless" people voted No for this reason? 11k does not even buy you a garage.. an average residential plot of land in Limassol will set you back 300k..

Would any reasonable person not prefer to take back ANY property he might have had in the occupied areas just in order to get 11k? The only refugees that could have had this as a motive are those who had nothing at all.. zero.. and I don't think there are many of those.. and even in that case, 11k would have been a pretty minor consideration.

The reasons for the No are well known, and for as long as Christofias ignores those and fails to address them (similar to the likes of this clown), there is no chance of a solution.

So the beloved president crying on TV for people to vote no and the Priest saying people who vote yes will go to hell, had no effect what so ever and was a very fair election then?

Here you go again about fair. Who decides "fair" for goodness sake? If the result doesn't go your way, you can scream "it's not fair" all you like but, if due process was followed, then the election was proper and legal.

The question you should ask, in relation to the Annan Plan vote, is: was it legitimate for non-Cypriot nationals to be given a vote, as happened in the north? I don't think it was. Nor should they be able to have a say in any future vote. After all, the international community insists on a solution BY Cypriots FOR Cypriots. As do Cypriots.

[Tony-4497]

In 2004, the allowance was £11,000 and countless young people voted ‘no’ for fear of losing the state assistance they were entitled to if there was a settlement.

Another classic case of this particular author talking out of his backside..

How does he know that "countless" people voted No for this reason? 11k does not even buy you a garage.. an average residential plot of land in Limassol will set you back 300k..

Would any reasonable person not prefer to take back ANY property he might have had in the occupied areas just in order to get 11k? The only refugees that could have had this as a motive are those who had nothing at all.. zero.. and I don't think there are many of those.. and even in that case, 11k would have been a pretty minor consideration.

The reasons for the No are well known, and for as long as Christofias ignores those and fails to address them (similar to the likes of this clown), there is no chance of a solution.

So the beloved president crying on TV for people to vote no and the Priest saying people who vote yes will go to hell, had no effect what so ever and was a very fair election then?

Tasos's impact was, in my view, minor. As recent polls have shown, 40-50% of GCs will reject ANY kind of BBF. This is mainly because the model itself is fundamentally unfair, they do not trust Turkey and have no real reason to risk the current perceived security and their children's future in order to experiment with something that might or might not work. They consider that Turkey will be more prepared to negotiate if and when it is close to entering the EU and they can wait, while suing etc.

The votes of the other 50 to 60% are what will determine the outcome. Of this, around 20% will vote Yes to ANY plan, either because of principle or financial interest etc etc.

The remaining 30 to 40% are in my view up-for-grabs and will depend on the nature of the (always BBF) solution. For a solution to pass, nearly ALL of these people will need to vote Yes - and for this to happen, the solution needs to be as painless as possible for GCs, while still maintaining its BBF nature (which I believe is sufficient for a Yes by TCs).

What's the purpose of increasing the 11 K to 50K? What will that buy in Dali or Bodamya?

This was done purely because of the hugely increased property prices and certainly not to discourage people from voting for a solution! I think it was Christofias who increased it anyway.. it still buys you very little, even in Dali..