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[YFred]

I couldn't help noticing that you made no comment about these judges who lock people up without trial indefinitely? With no chance of actually knowing what it is they are supposed to have done?

What are you talking about?

These are the same fair judges that are bringing their judgement and if this judgement finally causes the collapse of the talks, then you can explain it to the 160000 GCs why they have to wait 10 million trillion years to go through the EU court system to get some compensation.

You are such a child. After the "unfair" judgement, throw your tantrums, stamp your feet, sulk in your corner. And, then, if and when you're ready to talk, we'll talk. Meanwhile the judgements will continue; however long it takes.

I am talking about our fair minded judges, what else.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-i ... e_1888.jsp

If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable.

I agree. It was laughable. But so is equating this with an ECJ judgement enabling a refugee to seek redress from those who occupy his stolen property without this permission.

You see M, I agree with most of your reasoning until you mention the word thieves. These lands did not fall off the back of the lorry and now who is being childish. What really annoys me are these facts.
1. RoC is behind this case and are picking up the tabs if it should fail.
2. This unfortunate brit bought this land from a TC who has land in the south (I assume)
3. This TC's land is at the moment in the hands of the roc and has been since 1974.
4. The final reason is the fact that this is a political trial intending to destroy the construction industry in the north.

Where is the principle here that allows the roc to keep the TC's land and take the orams to court. As I said before, it stinks of bullshit no matter which way you look at it.

And BTW please don't insult me by saying this has nothing to do with the roc.

[Malapapa]

You see M, I agree with most of your reasoning until you mention the word thieves. These lands did not fall off the back of the lorry and now who is being childish.

It's not the Orams's property. It was sold to them without the real owner's permission. We are not talking about unfortunate TCs, refugees from the south, rehoused after the 1974 war. They are British, with their own home in Britain, who wanted a dirt cheap second holiday-home in the sun; who took a stupid gamble in north Cyprus. And lost. I never mentioned the word thieves. But they bought what they weren't entitled to buy. They are, in effect, handling stolen goods.

What really annoys me are these facts.
1. RoC is behind this case and are picking up the tabs if it should fail.

I'm certain any other tiny EU country, trying to prevent the mighty Turkey from capitalising on its citizens' land, would do the same. It's a legal war, YFred, the only war the RoC is in a position to wage.

2. This unfortunate brit bought this land from a TC who has land in the south (I assume)

It was not the TCs' land to sell. And the Brit is only "unfortunate" because he took a wreckless gamble; and lost. Greedy and stupid is what I'd call the Orams.

3. This TC's land is at the moment in the hands of the roc and has been since 1974.

And if the RoC was to sell his land without permission, the TC would no doubt be entitled to seek compensation through the relevant courts, in Cyprus and beyond if need be. This might be difficult or expensive and, in your eyes (no doubt) "unfair" but life, sometimes, isn't fair. 40,000 troops preventing EU citizens from enjoying their homes in the north of Cyprus isn't fair. But when things aren't fair, clever people don't get sore, they get even.

4. The final reason is the fact that this is a political trial intending to destroy the construction industry in the north.

But construction was/is taking place without the permission of those who own the land. This industry ought to be destroyed if it can be.

Where is the principle here that allows the roc to keep the TC's land and take the orams to court. As I said before, it stinks of bullshit no matter which way you look at it.

And BTW please don't insult me by saying this has nothing to do with the roc.

If he wants his land and the RoC won't give it back, he should seek legal redress, in Cyprus and if needs be in Europe, as Apostolides has done to the Orams. Perhaps Turkey should fund him, like it funds the Orams. However, perhaps first the TC in question should compensate the Orams for selling them land that didn't actually belong to him.

[B25]

You see M, I agree with most of your reasoning until you mention the word thieves. These lands did not fall off the back of the lorry and now who is being childish. What really annoys me are these facts.
1. RoC is behind this case and are picking up the tabs if it should fail.
2. This unfortunate brit bought this land from a TC who has land in the south (I assume)
3. This TC's land is at the moment in the hands of the roc and has been since 1974.
4. The final reason is the fact that this is a political trial intending to destroy the construction industry in the north.
Where is the principle here that allows the roc to keep the TC's land and take the orams to court. As I said before, it stinks of bullshit no matter which way you look at it.

And BTW please don't insult me by saying this has nothing to do with the roc.

1. Show us evidence of this or shut up. We know for sure that the Turks are behind the orams!
2. Assumptions are a mother of all fuck ups and as you don't know you assume FFS.
3. The TC land is in the CARE of the RoC, there are mechanisms to get it back, unlike the GCs getting theres back. What more do you F want, jam? Do you see adverts offering TC land for sale anywhere in the South?? Idiot.
4. Construction industry, give me a break, it's all crooked land stealing and in any case the 'construction industry' was destroyed the moment the ECJ made its ruling. You have nothing and when the UK judges finally acknowledge the authority of the ECJ and rule against you, it will be the happiest day of my life.

[denizaksulu]

Flippin 'eck. Someones on LSD or something. Too loud for this time of the morning. Where me shades?

[B25]

Flippin 'eck. Someones on LSD or something. Too loud for this time of the morning. Where me shades?

apologies den, I couldn't be arsed to do all those quotes, I guess colour coding was easier

[denizaksulu]

Flippin 'eck. Someones on LSD or something. Too loud for this time of the morning. Where me shades?

apologies den, I couldn't be arsed to do all those quotes, I guess colour coding was easier

normally not a bad idea but.................never mind. I am still trying to read the yellow bits.

[YFred]

You see M, I agree with most of your reasoning until you mention the word thieves. These lands did not fall off the back of the lorry and now who is being childish.

It's not the Orams's property. It was sold to them without the real owner's permission. We are not talking about unfortunate TCs, refugees from the south, rehoused after the 1974 war. They are British, with their own home in Britain, who wanted a dirt cheap second holiday-home in the sun; who took a stupid gamble in north Cyprus. And lost. I never mentioned the word thieves. But they bought what they weren't entitled to buy. They are, in effect, handling stolen goods.

What really annoys me are these facts.
1. RoC is behind this case and are picking up the tabs if it should fail.

I'm certain any other tiny EU country, trying to prevent the mighty Turkey from capitalising on its citizens' land, would do the same. It's a legal war, YFred, the only war the RoC is in a position to wage.

2. This unfortunate brit bought this land from a TC who has land in the south (I assume)

It was not the TCs' land to sell. And the Brit is only "unfortunate" because he took a wreckless gamble; and lost. Greedy and stupid is what I'd call the Orams.

3. This TC's land is at the moment in the hands of the roc and has been since 1974.

And if the RoC was to sell his land without permission, the TC would no doubt be entitled to seek compensation through the relevant courts, in Cyprus and beyond if need be. This might be difficult or expensive and, in your eyes (no doubt) "unfair" but life, sometimes, isn't fair. 40,000 troops preventing EU citizens from enjoying their homes in the north of Cyprus isn't fair. But when things aren't fair, clever people don't get sore, they get even.

4. The final reason is the fact that this is a political trial intending to destroy the construction industry in the north.

But construction was/is taking place without the permission of those who own the land. This industry ought to be destroyed if it can be.

Where is the principle here that allows the roc to keep the TC's land and take the orams to court. As I said before, it stinks of bullshit no matter which way you look at it.

And BTW please don't insult me by saying this has nothing to do with the roc.

If he wants his land and the RoC won't give it back, he should seek legal redress, in Cyprus and if needs be in Europe, as Apostolides has done to the Orams. Perhaps Turkey should fund him, like it funds the Orams. However, perhaps first the TC in question should compensate the Orams for selling them land that didn't actually belong to him.

This is the most annoying fact about the GC thinking. It's alright to take so long as you don't sell it. The problem with that is that roc is free to trade so don't need to sell. Which is why this argument just does nort wash.
TC man waited for decades for a bit a peace and did he get it? No.
So the answer is no no and another double no.
Or Oxi Oxi je thio Oxi.

[YFred]

You see M, I agree with most of your reasoning until you mention the word thieves. These lands did not fall off the back of the lorry and now who is being childish. What really annoys me are these facts.
1. RoC is behind this case and are picking up the tabs if it should fail.
2. This unfortunate brit bought this land from a TC who has land in the south (I assume)
3. This TC's land is at the moment in the hands of the roc and has been since 1974.
4. The final reason is the fact that this is a political trial intending to destroy the construction industry in the north.
Where is the principle here that allows the roc to keep the TC's land and take the orams to court. As I said before, it stinks of bullshit no matter which way you look at it.

And BTW please don't insult me by saying this has nothing to do with the roc.

1. Show us evidence of this or shut up. We know for sure that the Turks are behind the orams!
2. Assumptions are a mother of all fuck ups and as you don't know you assume FFS.
3. The TC land is in the CARE of the RoC, there are mechanisms to get it back, unlike the GCs getting theres back. What more do you F want, jam? Do you see adverts offering TC land for sale anywhere in the South?? Idiot.
4. Construction industry, give me a break, it's all crooked land stealing and in any case the 'construction industry' was destroyed the moment the ECJ made its ruling. You have nothing and when the UK judges finally acknowledge the authority of the ECJ and rule against you, it will be the happiest day of my life.

Until you are man enough to tell us what your previous guise was, you can continue with your diy sexual preferences, old boy. What?

[insan]

It's illegal to sell the properties of anyone without the permission of land owner. In Orams case, the so-called owner of A's land(TC refugee) sold a piece of A's land to O with permission of TRNC council of ministers. What if the so-called owner of A's land sold it to a Turk or a TC(refugee or non-refugee)? Would it make any difference? No! Still, the so-called owner of A's land or his representatives should ask the permission of the owner of the land.

Had a bi-communal properties board been established in second half of 70's when they agreed to find a solution in frame of a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation, Mr. "A" might have exchanged, compensated or restituted.

The primary responsibles of all property cases r the incapable, incompetent, self-seeker, illiterate politicians of both sides.

Some other illiterates claim that 40.000 Turkish troops don't allow GCs to return their homes... If u wished return of all refugees, so why did u agreed to find a bi-zonal, bi-communal solution to Cyprus problem... This is the greatest hypocrisy keep coming from the illiterates of GC side.

[YFred]

It's illegal to sell the properties of anyone without the permission of land owner. In Orams case, the so-called owner of A's land(TC refugee) sold a piece of A's land to O with permission of TRNC council of ministers. What if the so-called owner of A's land sold it to a Turk or a TC(refugee or non-refugee)? Would it make any difference? No! Still, the so-called owner of A's land or his representatives should ask the permission of the owner of the land.

Had a bi-communal properties board been established in second half of 70's when they agreed to find a solution in frame of a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation, Mr. "A" might have exchanged, compensated or restituted.

The primary responsibles of all property cases r the incapable, incompetent, self-seeker, illiterate politicians of both sides.

Some other illiterates claim that 40.000 Turkish troops don't allow GCs to return their homes... If u wished return of all refugees, so why did u agreed to find a bi-zonal, bi-communal solution to Cyprus problem... This is the greatest hypocrisy keep coming from the illiterates of GC side.

People were discouraged to contact the TRNC bodies with the full force of the roc. Especially TPapa government.