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[Piratis]

Insan, I am still waiting for you to tell me what is the difference between your minority and the Muslim minority in Bulgaria or Greece. Why your minority had to be given veto powers and privilages on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the Cypriot people, while this was not the case for say the Turks in Bulgaria or the Greeks in Turkey?

[insan]

Insan, I am still waiting for you to tell me what is the difference between your minority and the Muslim minority in Bulgaria or Greece. Why your minority had to be given veto powers and privilages on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the Cypriot people, while this was not the case for say the Turks in Bulgaria or the Greeks in Turkey?

I've given the answer of ur question fro many times. TCs have never been the minority in Cyprus. TCs r one of the 2 large, native ethnic groups of Cyprus. just like many other large etnic groups all around world which established their independent states or federal states( there r 6 independent Turkic states and more than a dozen federations which one of the components r Turkic origin) TCs have the right either to establish a federation or an independent state.

[insan]

* Did the Turks walk out from government or were they thrown out?

* Was there a plot - the Akritas Plan - to ethnically-cleanse Cyprus of the Turkish Cypriots?

* Did the Turks run from 100 plus villages for fear of Greek attack or were they ordered to pack their bags to leave by the TMT?

* Could UNFICYP have done more to prevent outbreaks by this or that side between 1964-1970?

* Was EOKA-B created to block possible settlements, which looked promising around 1968-1972, between the two sides?

* Was the 15 July Coup of 1974 supported by the CIA?

The above questions were raised in the British Memorial thread, but I think that a new thread (this one) should be established to answer these questions as the correct answers to these really determine the area of responsibility/blame for the Cyprus Problem.

To the Greek Cypriot members of the forum, you have dumped on me pretty heavilly for supporting the Turkish Cypriot side. Perhaps by answering the above questions - with reliable references - you can point out to me the possible 'error of my ways'.

To the Turkish Cypriot members of this forum, can you also provide me with reliable references to show that I have indeed made the right decision on the wronged party in this ongoing dispute?

Greek-GC rule(minority status for TCs) insistence of one political group of GCs and Enosis and only Enosis insistence of another political group of GCs and Greeks explains the answers of all questiones raised above.

So we insisted only for our rights! And we didn't even ask for your minority to leave from our island. Just to stop oppressing us as you have done for the previous 4 centuries and allow democracy and freedom to Cyprus!

When 2 communities had politically equal rights they had equal power to politically oppress each other, if it ever had been required during the 3 years lasted bi-communal RoC... The issue was not the oppression intentions of TCs, infact there wasn't such a movement from TCs against GCs during those 3 years.

Put aside all other aspects of the Cyprus problem, political equality(then the veto right) of TCs was a protective power both in front of potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts and Enosis desires. This is the essential of the problem. The president of Cyprus also had a veto right to use against any ill-intentioned attempt by TC side.

They both were neither educationally nor mentally capable to govern a bi-communal state in those times(Though still) but that's totally another issue which is related with their pre-60 living conditions, literacy and historical backgrounds; also Turco-Greco relations and cold-war circumstances.

Insan, when it is the Turks who tyrannized and oppressed the Cypriot people for several centuries there is no base for you to make claims about "potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts".

If some people needed protection based on the track record of each side, those were the GCs, not the TCs.

The 1960s agreement were created by foreigners and imposed on the Cypriot people, not to protect your minority, but to refuse the freedom and self-determination rights of the Cypriot people and allow certain Imperialists (British/Turks) to maintain troops and control over our island.

If the Turks cared about protection of minorities, and not about their strategic interests, then they would have given the same rights to their own minorities in Turkey (Greeks, Kurds, Armenians) who suffered the tyranny of the Turks (including several genocides), and who truly needed protection.

Nonsense! Ok then, first ask Greece to give those rights u mentioned above to Turks, pomaks, Roma, Macedonians and Albanians of Greece; then be sure Turkey would follow... U again mixing ur nuts with our pirillis.

[Get Real!]

The above questions were raised in the British Memorial thread, but I think that a new thread (this one) should be established to answer these questions as the correct answers to these really determine the area of responsibility/blame for the Cyprus Problem.

We have covered all the above on multiple occasions so the onus is on you to search for those answers.

Perhaps by answering the above questions - with reliable references - you can point out to me the possible 'error of my ways'.

The error of your ways can be easily seen from your ignorance of international law. Everything else is besides the point...

[Piratis]

Insan, I am still waiting for you to tell me what is the difference between your minority and the Muslim minority in Bulgaria or Greece. Why your minority had to be given veto powers and privilages on the expense of the human and democratic rights of the Cypriot people, while this was not the case for say the Turks in Bulgaria or the Greeks in Turkey?

I've given the answer of ur question fro many times. TCs have never been the minority in Cyprus. TCs r one of the 2 large, native ethnic groups of Cyprus. just like many other large etnic groups all around world which established their independent states or federal states( there r 6 independent Turkic states and more than a dozen federations which one of the components r Turkic origin) TCs have the right either to establish a federation or an independent state.

In what way TC have never been a minority while the Turks in Bulgaria (for example) have??? The TCs are only a small minority of 18%, not large at all. As far as their "nativeness" goes, the Turkish minority in Bulgaria has been created centuries before your minority in Cyprus, so you can't be more native than they are. So what is the difference?

And who gave you the right to ethnically cleanse the majority of the population in order to create some state on a territory that belongs by over 80% to us? You have no such right.

[Piratis]

* Did the Turks walk out from government or were they thrown out?

* Was there a plot - the Akritas Plan - to ethnically-cleanse Cyprus of the Turkish Cypriots?

* Did the Turks run from 100 plus villages for fear of Greek attack or were they ordered to pack their bags to leave by the TMT?

* Could UNFICYP have done more to prevent outbreaks by this or that side between 1964-1970?

* Was EOKA-B created to block possible settlements, which looked promising around 1968-1972, between the two sides?

* Was the 15 July Coup of 1974 supported by the CIA?

The above questions were raised in the British Memorial thread, but I think that a new thread (this one) should be established to answer these questions as the correct answers to these really determine the area of responsibility/blame for the Cyprus Problem.

To the Greek Cypriot members of the forum, you have dumped on me pretty heavilly for supporting the Turkish Cypriot side. Perhaps by answering the above questions - with reliable references - you can point out to me the possible 'error of my ways'.

To the Turkish Cypriot members of this forum, can you also provide me with reliable references to show that I have indeed made the right decision on the wronged party in this ongoing dispute?

Greek-GC rule(minority status for TCs) insistence of one political group of GCs and Enosis and only Enosis insistence of another political group of GCs and Greeks explains the answers of all questiones raised above.

So we insisted only for our rights! And we didn't even ask for your minority to leave from our island. Just to stop oppressing us as you have done for the previous 4 centuries and allow democracy and freedom to Cyprus!

When 2 communities had politically equal rights they had equal power to politically oppress each other, if it ever had been required during the 3 years lasted bi-communal RoC... The issue was not the oppression intentions of TCs, infact there wasn't such a movement from TCs against GCs during those 3 years.

Put aside all other aspects of the Cyprus problem, political equality(then the veto right) of TCs was a protective power both in front of potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts and Enosis desires. This is the essential of the problem. The president of Cyprus also had a veto right to use against any ill-intentioned attempt by TC side.

They both were neither educationally nor mentally capable to govern a bi-communal state in those times(Though still) but that's totally another issue which is related with their pre-60 living conditions, literacy and historical backgrounds; also Turco-Greco relations and cold-war circumstances.

Insan, when it is the Turks who tyrannized and oppressed the Cypriot people for several centuries there is no base for you to make claims about "potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts".

If some people needed protection based on the track record of each side, those were the GCs, not the TCs.

The 1960s agreement were created by foreigners and imposed on the Cypriot people, not to protect your minority, but to refuse the freedom and self-determination rights of the Cypriot people and allow certain Imperialists (British/Turks) to maintain troops and control over our island.

If the Turks cared about protection of minorities, and not about their strategic interests, then they would have given the same rights to their own minorities in Turkey (Greeks, Kurds, Armenians) who suffered the tyranny of the Turks (including several genocides), and who truly needed protection.

Nonsense! Ok then, first ask Greece to give those rights u mentioned above to Turks, pomaks, Roma, Macedonians and Albanians of Greece; then be sure Turkey would follow... U again mixing ur nuts with our pirillis.

Exactly insan, Nonsense. When Greece gives such rights to their minorities, and when Turkey gives such rights to theirs, then come to ask from us for the same for your minority. Until then stop talking nonsense.

[insan]

* Did the Turks walk out from government or were they thrown out?

* Was there a plot - the Akritas Plan - to ethnically-cleanse Cyprus of the Turkish Cypriots?

* Did the Turks run from 100 plus villages for fear of Greek attack or were they ordered to pack their bags to leave by the TMT?

* Could UNFICYP have done more to prevent outbreaks by this or that side between 1964-1970?

* Was EOKA-B created to block possible settlements, which looked promising around 1968-1972, between the two sides?

* Was the 15 July Coup of 1974 supported by the CIA?

The above questions were raised in the British Memorial thread, but I think that a new thread (this one) should be established to answer these questions as the correct answers to these really determine the area of responsibility/blame for the Cyprus Problem.

To the Greek Cypriot members of the forum, you have dumped on me pretty heavilly for supporting the Turkish Cypriot side. Perhaps by answering the above questions - with reliable references - you can point out to me the possible 'error of my ways'.

To the Turkish Cypriot members of this forum, can you also provide me with reliable references to show that I have indeed made the right decision on the wronged party in this ongoing dispute?

Greek-GC rule(minority status for TCs) insistence of one political group of GCs and Enosis and only Enosis insistence of another political group of GCs and Greeks explains the answers of all questiones raised above.

So we insisted only for our rights! And we didn't even ask for your minority to leave from our island. Just to stop oppressing us as you have done for the previous 4 centuries and allow democracy and freedom to Cyprus!

When 2 communities had politically equal rights they had equal power to politically oppress each other, if it ever had been required during the 3 years lasted bi-communal RoC... The issue was not the oppression intentions of TCs, infact there wasn't such a movement from TCs against GCs during those 3 years.

Put aside all other aspects of the Cyprus problem, political equality(then the veto right) of TCs was a protective power both in front of potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts and Enosis desires. This is the essential of the problem. The president of Cyprus also had a veto right to use against any ill-intentioned attempt by TC side.

They both were neither educationally nor mentally capable to govern a bi-communal state in those times(Though still) but that's totally another issue which is related with their pre-60 living conditions, literacy and historical backgrounds; also Turco-Greco relations and cold-war circumstances.

Insan, when it is the Turks who tyrannized and oppressed the Cypriot people for several centuries there is no base for you to make claims about "potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts".

If some people needed protection based on the track record of each side, those were the GCs, not the TCs.

The 1960s agreement were created by foreigners and imposed on the Cypriot people, not to protect your minority, but to refuse the freedom and self-determination rights of the Cypriot people and allow certain Imperialists (British/Turks) to maintain troops and control over our island.

If the Turks cared about protection of minorities, and not about their strategic interests, then they would have given the same rights to their own minorities in Turkey (Greeks, Kurds, Armenians) who suffered the tyranny of the Turks (including several genocides), and who truly needed protection.

Nonsense! Ok then, first ask Greece to give those rights u mentioned above to Turks, pomaks, Roma, Macedonians and Albanians of Greece; then be sure Turkey would follow... U again mixing ur nuts with our pirillis.

Exactly insan, Nonsense. When Greece gives such rights to their minorities, and when Turkey gives such rights to theirs, then come to ask from us for the same for your minority. Until then stop talking nonsense.

The fact is that TCs have never been a minority like the Turkic people of all other independent Turkic states and Turkic federations have never been a minority. You can keep arguing ur minority nonsense as much as u wish...

[Get Real!]

The fact is that TCs have never been a minority...

That's only because they could never count...

[Piratis]

* Did the Turks walk out from government or were they thrown out?

* Was there a plot - the Akritas Plan - to ethnically-cleanse Cyprus of the Turkish Cypriots?

* Did the Turks run from 100 plus villages for fear of Greek attack or were they ordered to pack their bags to leave by the TMT?

* Could UNFICYP have done more to prevent outbreaks by this or that side between 1964-1970?

* Was EOKA-B created to block possible settlements, which looked promising around 1968-1972, between the two sides?

* Was the 15 July Coup of 1974 supported by the CIA?

The above questions were raised in the British Memorial thread, but I think that a new thread (this one) should be established to answer these questions as the correct answers to these really determine the area of responsibility/blame for the Cyprus Problem.

To the Greek Cypriot members of the forum, you have dumped on me pretty heavilly for supporting the Turkish Cypriot side. Perhaps by answering the above questions - with reliable references - you can point out to me the possible 'error of my ways'.

To the Turkish Cypriot members of this forum, can you also provide me with reliable references to show that I have indeed made the right decision on the wronged party in this ongoing dispute?

Greek-GC rule(minority status for TCs) insistence of one political group of GCs and Enosis and only Enosis insistence of another political group of GCs and Greeks explains the answers of all questiones raised above.

So we insisted only for our rights! And we didn't even ask for your minority to leave from our island. Just to stop oppressing us as you have done for the previous 4 centuries and allow democracy and freedom to Cyprus!

When 2 communities had politically equal rights they had equal power to politically oppress each other, if it ever had been required during the 3 years lasted bi-communal RoC... The issue was not the oppression intentions of TCs, infact there wasn't such a movement from TCs against GCs during those 3 years.

Put aside all other aspects of the Cyprus problem, political equality(then the veto right) of TCs was a protective power both in front of potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts and Enosis desires. This is the essential of the problem. The president of Cyprus also had a veto right to use against any ill-intentioned attempt by TC side.

They both were neither educationally nor mentally capable to govern a bi-communal state in those times(Though still) but that's totally another issue which is related with their pre-60 living conditions, literacy and historical backgrounds; also Turco-Greco relations and cold-war circumstances.

Insan, when it is the Turks who tyrannized and oppressed the Cypriot people for several centuries there is no base for you to make claims about "potential and highly probable GC tyranny attempts".

If some people needed protection based on the track record of each side, those were the GCs, not the TCs.

The 1960s agreement were created by foreigners and imposed on the Cypriot people, not to protect your minority, but to refuse the freedom and self-determination rights of the Cypriot people and allow certain Imperialists (British/Turks) to maintain troops and control over our island.

If the Turks cared about protection of minorities, and not about their strategic interests, then they would have given the same rights to their own minorities in Turkey (Greeks, Kurds, Armenians) who suffered the tyranny of the Turks (including several genocides), and who truly needed protection.

Nonsense! Ok then, first ask Greece to give those rights u mentioned above to Turks, pomaks, Roma, Macedonians and Albanians of Greece; then be sure Turkey would follow... U again mixing ur nuts with our pirillis.

Exactly insan, Nonsense. When Greece gives such rights to their minorities, and when Turkey gives such rights to theirs, then come to ask from us for the same for your minority. Until then stop talking nonsense.

The fact is that TCs have never been a minority like the Turkic people of all other independent Turkic states and Turkic federations have never been a minority. You can keep arguing ur minority nonsense as much as u wish...

You have neither an independent nor a federal state of your own. All you have done is criminally and illegally ethnically cleansed part of Cyprus, something which does not make that part of Cyprus yours, and it will never make it yours.

What you are is a minority similar to the other Turkish minorities in several other countries which were created during Ottoman rule.

[Piratis]

For the uneducated ones, definitions of the term minority:

Any subgroup that does not form a numerical majority; A member of an ethnic minority

being or relating to the smaller in number of two parts

Any subgroup that does not form a numerical majority

the smaller in number of two groups or a part of a population differing (in race) from the majority;

The smaller part of a group. A group within a country or state that differs in race, religion, or national origin from the dominant group.

Term used to describe a group that represents a smaller percentage of the total population than another group or groups.