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[-mikkie2-]

So proceed with an ill designed unworkable constitution and try to amend it later in order to make it work. Where have I seen this movie before?

Where did I say that?

We need a fair and workable solution that is acceptable to both sides. I hope that is what Christofias is aiming for. the only way we can do that is to engage the 'enemy'.

Sitting back is not an option.

[Get Real!]

What exactly do you see that people like Piratis and I do not?

Share your excitement with us so that we may understand!

1. Business opportunities
2. Investment opportunities
3. Faster travel and air transport hub for the region
4. Increase in the shipping fleet
5. Increase in job opportunities
6. Strengthened financial hub for the region
etc
etc

Basically, it will play on the enterprising strengths of the Cypriot people.

But WHAT business & investment opportunities? You mean us fixing the backwards north so that Turkey can play the Pasha?

[-mikkie2-]

But WHAT business & investment opportunities? You mean us fixing the backwards north so that Turkey can play the Pasha?

Are you really that narrow minded?

Have you seen the investments some Greek companies are making in Turkey? We will have those same opportunities.

Cypriot companies have invested billions in Russia and they will do the same in Turkey given the opportunity.

Its not just about building up the north. Its about the massively increased regional opportunities that will open up for us.

These opportunities will happen once Cyprus is free from occupation and we have stability between Greece Turkey and Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

But WHAT business & investment opportunities? You mean us fixing the backwards north so that Turkey can play the Pasha?

Are you really that narrow minded?

Have you seen the investments some Greek companies are making in Turkey? We will have those same opportunities.

Cypriot companies have invested billions in Russia and they will do the same in Turkey given the opportunity.

Its not just about building up the north. Its about the massively increased regional opportunities that will open up for us.

These opportunities will happen once Cyprus is free from occupation and we have stability between Greece Turkey and Cyprus.

You want to sign a racist political arrangement for Cyprus because you may get some business contracts in Turkey later?

Here’s what’s going to happen one or two years after wavering international law and signing such a stupid agreement:

Turkey is going to use the SLIGHTEST excuse to declare…

“Nah! This partnership ain’t working so we’re closing off our section! Sorry, we tried… Bye!”

Turkey then declares an independent state and this time EVERYONE recognizes it because there are no UN resolutions against it because you stupidly wavered the sovereignty of Cyprus by signing this “plan”!

So you will have effectively LEGALLY signed away half of Cyprus to them because you were too stupid to see what a 10 year old could’ve predicted!

[Bananiot]

We have made UN resolutions on Cyprus our banner over the last 35 years. These resolutions talk about a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality of the two communities. Any attempt to move away from such a solution will mean the end of Cyprus, unless we are a superpower and can do whatever we like.

[Piratis]

We have made UN resolutions on Cyprus our banner over the last 35 years. These resolutions talk about a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality of the two communities. Any attempt to move away from such a solution will mean the end of Cyprus, unless we are a superpower and can do whatever we like.

What the UN resolutions define as "BBF" is very broad and vague.

There are BBF arrangements that fit within this broad definition that can suit as just fine. It is all a matter of land distribution (there is no UN resolution that says that the TC minority should get 30% of land or anything close to that) and a matter of how "effective participation" is interpreted, and we can interpret it as we wish.

The land distribution can be about 12% for TCs and 88% for the rest of Cypriots and the "effective participation" can mean for TCs not to be excluded from the government and to be proportionally represented in all organs.

Nobody said we should move away from the BBF framework, but nobody forces us to accept the Turkish interpretation of it. We should put forward our own version of BBF, one that can result in a fair and workable solution and a system which will be democratic and respect the human rights of all citizens and be in accordance not only with UN resolutions about Cyprus but also with the UN Charter and the EU acquis.

[DT.]

So proceed with an ill designed unworkable constitution and try to amend it later in order to make it work. Where have I seen this movie before?

Where did I say that?

here

I bet that if the Anan plan was accepted (I didn't agree to it by the way) much of it would have had to be re-written to take account of fundamental rights of EU citizens.

[Viewpoint]

We have made UN resolutions on Cyprus our banner over the last 35 years. These resolutions talk about a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality of the two communities. Any attempt to move away from such a solution will mean the end of Cyprus, unless we are a superpower and can do whatever we like.

What the UN resolutions define as "BBF" is very broad and vague.

There are BBF arrangements that fit within this broad definition that can suit as just fine. It is all a matter of land distribution (there is no UN resolution that says that the TC minority should get 30% of land or anything close to that) and a matter of how "effective participation" is interpreted, and we can interpret it as we wish.

The land distribution can be about 12% for TCs and 88% for the rest of Cypriots and the "effective participation" can mean for TCs not to be excluded from the government and to be proportionally represented in all organs.

Nobody said we should move away from the BBF framework, but nobody forces us to accept the Turkish interpretation of it. We should put forward our own version of BBF, one that can result in a fair and workable solution and a system which will be democratic and respect the human rights of all citizens and be in accordance not only with UN resolutions about Cyprus but also with the UN Charter and the EU acquis.

But your version only addresses your demands and not ours, we cannot take a leap of faith just because you claim it is "democratic".

[Expatkiwi]

You want to sign a racist political arrangement for Cyprus because you may get some business contracts in Turkey later?

Here’s what’s going to happen one or two years after wavering international law and signing such a stupid agreement:

Turkey is going to use the SLIGHTEST excuse to declare…

“Nah! This partnership ain’t working so we’re closing off our section! Sorry, we tried… Bye!”

Turkey then declares an independent state and this time EVERYONE recognizes it because there are no UN resolutions against it because you stupidly wavered the sovereignty of Cyprus by signing this “plan”!

So you will have effectively LEGALLY signed away half of Cyprus to them because you were too stupid to see what a 10 year old could’ve predicted!

Hmmm, this idea is just crazy enough to work...

[Piratis]

We have made UN resolutions on Cyprus our banner over the last 35 years. These resolutions talk about a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality of the two communities. Any attempt to move away from such a solution will mean the end of Cyprus, unless we are a superpower and can do whatever we like.

What the UN resolutions define as "BBF" is very broad and vague.

There are BBF arrangements that fit within this broad definition that can suit as just fine. It is all a matter of land distribution (there is no UN resolution that says that the TC minority should get 30% of land or anything close to that) and a matter of how "effective participation" is interpreted, and we can interpret it as we wish.

The land distribution can be about 12% for TCs and 88% for the rest of Cypriots and the "effective participation" can mean for TCs not to be excluded from the government and to be proportionally represented in all organs.

Nobody said we should move away from the BBF framework, but nobody forces us to accept the Turkish interpretation of it. We should put forward our own version of BBF, one that can result in a fair and workable solution and a system which will be democratic and respect the human rights of all citizens and be in accordance not only with UN resolutions about Cyprus but also with the UN Charter and the EU acquis.

But your version only addresses your demands and not ours, we cannot take a leap of faith just because you claim it is "democratic".

It addresses your main demand for a separate federal state in Cyprus, something you have no right for but we made a compromise on. It also fulfills the "effective participation" part, making what I propose well within the definition of BBF as defined by the UN Resolutions.

Of course if you want everything your way, and nothing our way, an agreement will not be found. We are not Bananiots to accept each and every ridiculous demand you make.