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[Bananiot]

Excellent analysis!

[Piratis]

A Luxembourgian will probably be the first President of EU ...

Only if he is chosen by the majority of Europeans, not because EU constitution requires the President to be a Luxembourgian.

There is no objection for a TC to be the president, as long as he is democratically elected by the Cypriot people in an election where the vote of each citizen counts the same. This is how a president representing Cypriots can be elected.

With the system you support who will be becoming "president" will not represent the Cypriot people, but Turkey since such president will not be empowered by the Cypriot people, but empowered by an undemocratic system imposed on the Cypriot people by means of brute force and blackmail by Turkey.

[Bananiot]

Historical reasons have taken us to this point. What I had supported throughout my life has nothing to do with the predicament of the current situation. These people who suddenly see the racist element in the proposal of Christofias, went on the rampage in 1963 onwards, murdering people and throwing them into wells. History Piratis, shapes the future!

[Piratis]

Turkey would govern TCs, GCs would be governed Greece and super powers is just simplifying the state governance...

The GCs are not governed by Greece, but you can continue to believe that if you wish.

What is important is that you admitted that TCs will continue to be governed by Turkey. And if TCs have the power to rule and control the whole of Cyprus, this means that Turkey (which is the one governing the TCs) will be the one which will actually control the whole island.

2/3rds FREE Cyprus is better, than make the whole of it a Turkish colony. Solution is the one which liberates the illegally occupied 1/3rd, not the one which enslaves the other 2/3rds as well.

[B25]

Turkey would govern TCs, GCs would be governed Greece and super powers is just simplifying the state governance...

The GCs are not governed by Greece, but you can continue to believe that if you wish.

What is important is that you admitted that TCs will continue to be governed by Turkey. And if TCs have the power to rule and control the whole of Cyprus, this means that Turkey (which is the one governing the TCs) will be the one which will actually control the whole island.

2/3rds FREE Cyprus is better, than make the whole of it a Turkish colony. Solution is the one which liberates the illegally occupied 1/3rd, not the one which enslaves the other 2/3rds as well.

Bravo re Pirati, pity Bananiot does see that so simple analysis.

He would just hand us over in a blink of an eye. He must be a bitter person.

[Bananiot]

Rubbish, you want to hand the north part of Cyprus to Turkey, never. You have done all the damage you could have done.

[Piratis]

Historical reasons have taken us to this point. What I had supported throughout my life has nothing to do with the predicament of the current situation. These people who suddenly see the racist element in the proposal of Christofias, went on the rampage in 1963 onwards, murdering people and throwing them into wells. History Piratis, shapes the future!

Wrong mate. The rampage of killing people started by the TCs in 1958 with the aim to impose racist discriminations against us and gain Ottoman Style privileges on our expense.

What history teaches us is that imposing some undemocratic and racist "solution" can not work because most people (unlike you) are not slaves, and sooner or later will rightly demand their rights.

[Piratis]

Rubbish, you want to hand the north part of Cyprus to Turkey, never. You have done all the damage you could have done.

No mate. What I want is to liberate the 1/3rd of Cyprus currently illegally occupied by Turkey.

You on the other hand want to give the whole of Cyprus to Turkey, and at the same time remove from us everything we have to defend ourselves from our enemy (disband our army and lose the powers we have as a state in EU).

[Bananiot]

Again, the simplistic explanation is put forward to answer a complicated issue. In 1958 Cyprus is a British colony and the Greek Cypriots are waging an armed struggle for enosis. The Turkish Cypriot minority is petrified by the sheer thought of enosis and memories of Crete come to mind. The British are bound to react, to protect their vested interests in the island and most importantly, in the Middle East, having just left Egypt. The extremists in the Turkish community see taksim (partition) as the only solution to their fears. The Greek Cypriots of EOKA did not try to alienate the fears of the progressive Turkish Cypriots who resisted Denktash and TMT, but started murdering innocent Turkish Cypriots who were sworn enemies of TMT, like the father of Kutlai Erk, who was dragged out of sick bed in Nicosia General Hospital and executed in cold blood. These actions sent the progressive masses of Turkish Cypriots into the embrace of TMT which offered them protection. Thus, we started losing this battle as soon as EOKA and the war lords (Lyssarides, Sampson, Papadopoulos-Yiorgatzis) targeted the Turkish Cypriots. It was a terrible crime and now we are paying the bill for these actions.

Piratis thinks that we can just forget the past and expect people to grant us exactly what we want, nothing more, nothing less. Things do not work like this I am afraid. Putting the blame on others will not help either but what is of utmost importance and Piratis cannot see, is the fact that nothing will remain the same, if we do not solve the issue soon. As we are is a no go. Things will just keep getting worse and worse and we will remain on our own, denounced even by mother Greece, which rightly wants peace with Turkey and settlement of all pending issues.

[Oracle]

Historical reasons have taken us to this point. What I had supported throughout my life has nothing to do with the predicament of the current situation. These people who suddenly see the racist element in the proposal of Christofias, went on the rampage in 1963 onwards, murdering people and throwing them into wells. History Piratis, shapes the future!

Here you are not only insulting the Cypriot people but the ideology of democracy as well.

You are advocating that some (unfounded) fears of a few thousand TCs, some 45 years ago, should arrest democracy for ever, for everyone!