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[Tony-4497]

A Luxembourgian will probably be the first President of EU ...

I had not realised that the EU is a now a single federal country (which would make the above have any relevance)..

When is the announcement being made?

[Tony-4497]

Your conclusion, Tony, that anyone interested in a speedy solution, will accept anything thrown by Turkey, is rather childish and one used "ad nauseum" here in Cyprus by people who simply do not want BBF but do not have the guts to say it.

Your conclusion, Bananiot, that anyone who actually cares about what kind of solution we sign does not want BBF is rather childish.

Things are quite simple. You are someone who supported the Annan plan and would be comfortable with a similar plan today.

I, on the other hand, expect to see a plan which is significantly improved in comparison with the AP (whilst still being a BBF).

Who is being the most reasonable and realistic here, me or you? Your way leads to directly to a second No by GC. Are you aware of what this could do to the RoC?

Or is your hope that Christofias, who thinks in the same way as you, will be able to blackmail GCs into voting an AP-like solution, precisely because of the harm that will come from a second No?

Was THIS his plan for cementing the Yes? i.e. LIE to GC public about the solution he would seek hence climb to power, put forward an unacceptable solution to referendum and then say "oops, it's too late now, if you don't vote Yes, we're screwed.."

[insan]

There is nothing wrong with having a Turkish Cypriot President of Federal Cyprus. Especially if the President is elected with Greek Cypriot votes too. This will also be the beginning of a healthier political life in Cyprus where for the first time Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots will group together for the conceived interest of the whole island. I think it's a damn good system.

Your conclusion, Tony, that anyone interested in a speedy solution, will accept anything thrown by Turkey, is rather childish and one used "ad nauseum" here in Cyprus by people who simply do not want BBF but do not have the guts to say it.

Agreed, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a TC president of Cyprus.

There is a lot wrong however with a country FORCED to pick a President every 4 years from only 20% of the population.

The fact that any TC President will naturally be governed by Turkey is also forgotten.

I am all for a BBF Bananiot. Just don't buy these racist clauses that are being forced down my throat.

That's what "political equality" of 2 communities requires. How much possibility there is for a TC president to be "governed"(read as consultation and cooperation when needed) by Turkey; that much possibility there is for a GC president to be governed by Greece or any other interested 3rd party... This is inevitable in this globalizing and getting greedier world.

Do u think in a unified Cyprus there wouldn't be any biased or self-interested support towards each of the parties in case of some various types of political, economical, social crisis or deadlocks on some vital issues appear?

The EU membership of Cyprus significantly related with EU's security concerns and global policies, targets towards Middle East, Cacauses and whole of Asia's natural resources.

Sooner or later EU political leadership will intense their diplomacy towards the progress and achievemnt of their global goals. In such a case, hypotetically speaking; there might be some issues that GC political group(s) in power supporting the political stance of EU political leadership and act accordingly but TC political group(s) act against it in united RoC parliament...

In such a case, the reason behind TC stance might be the foreign relations and cooperation(at local level) of TC constituent state with some middle eastern and Asian countries... It does not necessarily be Turkey behind every political stance of TC political group(s) in power.

Be it local, regional or global policies; all concerned parties have to collaborate and cooperate to solve the problems, make policies satisfactory to primarily locals, other ineterested parties in our region and ofc global players... This is inevitable...

Turkey would govern TCs, GCs would be governed Greece and super powers is just simplifying the state governance...

[B25]

There is nothing wrong with having a Turkish Cypriot President of Federal Cyprus. Especially if the President is elected with Greek Cypriot votes too. This will also be the beginning of a healthier political life in Cyprus where for the first time Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots will group together for the conceived interest of the whole island. I think it's a damn good system.

Your conclusion, Tony, that anyone interested in a speedy solution, will accept anything thrown by Turkey, is rather childish and one used "ad nauseum" here in Cyprus by people who simply do not want BBF but do not have the guts to say it.

Agreed, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a TC president of Cyprus.

There is a lot wrong however with a country FORCED to pick a President every 4 years from only 20% of the population.

The fact that any TC President will naturally be governed by Turkey is also forgotten.

I am all for a BBF Bananiot. Just don't buy these racist clauses that are being forced down my throat.

That's what "political equality" of 2 communities requires. How much possibility there is for a TC president to be "governed"(read as consultation and cooperation when needed) by Turkey; that much possibility there is for a GC president to be governed by Greece or any other interested 3rd party... This is inevitable in this globalizing and getting greedier world.

Do u think in a unified Cyprus there wouldn't be any biased or self-interested support towards each of the parties in case of some various types of political, economical, social crisis or deadlocks on some vital issues appear?

The EU membership of Cyprus significantly related with EU's security concerns and global policies, targets towards Middle East, Cacauses and whole of Asia's natural resources.

Sooner or later EU political leadership will intense their diplomacy towards the progress and achievemnt of their global goals. In such a case, hypotetically speaking; there might be some issues that GC political group(s) in power supporting the political stance of EU political leadership and act accordingly but TC political group(s) act against it in united RoC parliament...

In such a case, the reason behind TC stance might be the foreign relations and cooperation(at local level) of TC constituent state with some middle eastern and Asian countries... It does not necessarily be Turkey behind every political stance of TC political group(s) in power.

Be it local, regional or global policies; all concerned parties have to collaborate and cooperate to solve the problems, make policies satisfactory to primarily locals, other ineterested parties in our region and ofc global players... This is inevitable...

Turkey would govern TCs, GCs would be governed Greece and super powers is just simplifying the state governance...

Insan, thats total rubbish, the GC were not and are not controlled by Greece, contrary the the TCs definately being controlled by Turkey.

In case you haven't realised the RoC is her own woman and Greece has no say in her affairs.

The TCs are totally manipulated by Turkey and the excuse you give is so lame that you must be a imbecile to even think it.

Do you honestly think the world is so stupid and gullible to accept these claims of yours??

This posting of yours has just shown how rediculous you really are.

Anyone can be a president of Cyprus as long as the people voted for him/her, not by obligation and blackmail capish?

Cheers

[Expatkiwi]

Your conclusion, Bananiot, that anyone who actually cares about what kind of solution we sign does not want BBF is rather childish.

Things are quite simple. You are someone who supported the Annan plan and would be comfortable with a similar plan today.

I, on the other hand, expect to see a plan which is significantly improved in comparison with the AP (whilst still being a BBF).

Who is being the most reasonable and realistic here, me or you? Your way leads to directly to a second No by GC. Are you aware of what this could do to the RoC?

Or is your hope that Christofias, who thinks in the same way as you, will be able to blackmail GCs into voting an AP-like solution, precisely because of the harm that will come from a second No?

Was THIS his plan for cementing the Yes? i.e. LIE to GC public about the solution he would seek hence climb to power, put forward an unacceptable solution to referendum and then say "oops, it's too late now, if you don't vote Yes, we're screwed.."

Well, that's part and parcel of a little thing called politics...

[insan]

There is nothing wrong with having a Turkish Cypriot President of Federal Cyprus. Especially if the President is elected with Greek Cypriot votes too. This will also be the beginning of a healthier political life in Cyprus where for the first time Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots will group together for the conceived interest of the whole island. I think it's a damn good system.

Your conclusion, Tony, that anyone interested in a speedy solution, will accept anything thrown by Turkey, is rather childish and one used "ad nauseum" here in Cyprus by people who simply do not want BBF but do not have the guts to say it.

Agreed, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a TC president of Cyprus.

There is a lot wrong however with a country FORCED to pick a President every 4 years from only 20% of the population.

The fact that any TC President will naturally be governed by Turkey is also forgotten.

I am all for a BBF Bananiot. Just don't buy these racist clauses that are being forced down my throat.

That's what "political equality" of 2 communities requires. How much possibility there is for a TC president to be "governed"(read as consultation and cooperation when needed) by Turkey; that much possibility there is for a GC president to be governed by Greece or any other interested 3rd party... This is inevitable in this globalizing and getting greedier world.

Do u think in a unified Cyprus there wouldn't be any biased or self-interested support towards each of the parties in case of some various types of political, economical, social crisis or deadlocks on some vital issues appear?

The EU membership of Cyprus significantly related with EU's security concerns and global policies, targets towards Middle East, Cacauses and whole of Asia's natural resources.

Sooner or later EU political leadership will intense their diplomacy towards the progress and achievemnt of their global goals. In such a case, hypotetically speaking; there might be some issues that GC political group(s) in power supporting the political stance of EU political leadership and act accordingly but TC political group(s) act against it in united RoC parliament...

In such a case, the reason behind TC stance might be the foreign relations and cooperation(at local level) of TC constituent state with some middle eastern and Asian countries... It does not necessarily be Turkey behind every political stance of TC political group(s) in power.

Be it local, regional or global policies; all concerned parties have to collaborate and cooperate to solve the problems, make policies satisfactory to primarily locals, other ineterested parties in our region and ofc global players... This is inevitable...

Turkey would govern TCs, GCs would be governed Greece and super powers is just simplifying the state governance...

Insan, thats total rubbish, the GC were not and are not controlled by Greece, contrary the the TCs definately being controlled by Turkey.

In case you haven't realised the RoC is her own woman and Greece has no say in her affairs.

The TCs are totally manipulated by Turkey and the excuse you give is so lame that you must be a imbecile to even think it.

Do you honestly think the world is so stupid and gullible to accept these claims of yours??

This posting of yours has just shown how rediculous you really are.

Anyone can be a president of Cyprus as long as the people voted for him/her, not by obligation and blackmail capish?

Cheers

U r too young, immature and illiterate to understand what I'm talking abt...

Cheers B25, don't forget to add some ginger and turmeric in ur drink... it may greatly help to mature your thoughts and understanding....

[Tony-4497]

That's what "political equality" of 2 communities requires.

You are talking out of your backside if you think that political equality requires rotational presidency.

The concept of political equality has been there for decades.. from the start.. and it was defined by the UN as "effective participation", not full equality of 82 with 18.

The concept of rotational presidency was always demanded by Denktash, but had not been accepted by GCs, until now.

Also note that "political equality" had always been combined in UN resolutions with full human rights (property, movement etc etc).

It is greatly misleading to imply that those that reject rotational presidency at the same time reject BBF with political equality.

A perfectly acceptable "BBF with political equality" can exist that does NOT include such a thing, does not violate the right to property etc etc and overall gives a sense of fairness to both communities. THIS is what Bananiot and others who say want a quick solution should be pushing for and NOT an AP lookalike.

[insan]

That's what "political equality" of 2 communities requires.

You are talking out of your backside if you think that political equality requires rotational presidency.

The concept of political equality has been there for decades.. from the start.. and it was defined by the UN as "effective participation", not full equality of 82 with 18.

The concept of rotational presidency was always demanded by Denktash, but had not been accepted by GCs, until now.

Also note that "political equality" had always been combined in UN resolutions with full human rights (property, movement etc etc).

It is greatly misleading to imply that those that reject rotational presidency at the same time reject BBF with political equality.

A perfectly acceptable "BBF with political equality" can exist that does NOT include such a thing, does not violate the right to property etc etc and overall gives a sense of fairness to both communities. THIS is what Bananiot and others who say want a quick solution should be pushing for and NOT an AP lookalike.

So, doesn't rotating presidency contribute to "effective participation" of 2 communities in state affairs justly? If yes, then it can be considered as one of the component of "poltical equality of 2 communities" as it was defined in UN resolutions and accepted by 2 communities...

It must be u who is talking from ur back side.

[B25]

There is nothing wrong with having a Turkish Cypriot President of Federal Cyprus. Especially if the President is elected with Greek Cypriot votes too. This will also be the beginning of a healthier political life in Cyprus where for the first time Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots will group together for the conceived interest of the whole island. I think it's a damn good system.

Your conclusion, Tony, that anyone interested in a speedy solution, will accept anything thrown by Turkey, is rather childish and one used "ad nauseum" here in Cyprus by people who simply do not want BBF but do not have the guts to say it.

Agreed, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a TC president of Cyprus.

There is a lot wrong however with a country FORCED to pick a President every 4 years from only 20% of the population.

The fact that any TC President will naturally be governed by Turkey is also forgotten.

I am all for a BBF Bananiot. Just don't buy these racist clauses that are being forced down my throat.

That's what "political equality" of 2 communities requires. How much possibility there is for a TC president to be "governed"(read as consultation and cooperation when needed) by Turkey; that much possibility there is for a GC president to be governed by Greece or any other interested 3rd party... This is inevitable in this globalizing and getting greedier world.

Do u think in a unified Cyprus there wouldn't be any biased or self-interested support towards each of the parties in case of some various types of political, economical, social crisis or deadlocks on some vital issues appear?

The EU membership of Cyprus significantly related with EU's security concerns and global policies, targets towards Middle East, Cacauses and whole of Asia's natural resources.

Sooner or later EU political leadership will intense their diplomacy towards the progress and achievemnt of their global goals. In such a case, hypotetically speaking; there might be some issues that GC political group(s) in power supporting the political stance of EU political leadership and act accordingly but TC political group(s) act against it in united RoC parliament...

In such a case, the reason behind TC stance might be the foreign relations and cooperation(at local level) of TC constituent state with some middle eastern and Asian countries... It does not necessarily be Turkey behind every political stance of TC political group(s) in power.

Be it local, regional or global policies; all concerned parties have to collaborate and cooperate to solve the problems, make policies satisfactory to primarily locals, other ineterested parties in our region and ofc global players... This is inevitable...

Turkey would govern TCs, GCs would be governed Greece and super powers is just simplifying the state governance...

Insan, thats total rubbish, the GC were not and are not controlled by Greece, contrary the the TCs definately being controlled by Turkey.

In case you haven't realised the RoC is her own woman and Greece has no say in her affairs.

The TCs are totally manipulated by Turkey and the excuse you give is so lame that you must be a imbecile to even think it.

Do you honestly think the world is so stupid and gullible to accept these claims of yours??

This posting of yours has just shown how rediculous you really are.

Anyone can be a president of Cyprus as long as the people voted for him/her, not by obligation and blackmail capish?

Cheers

U r too young, immature and illiterate to understand what I'm talking abt...

Cheers B25, don't forget to add some ginger and turmeric in ur drink... it may greatly help to mature your thoughts and understanding....

An absolute tosser!

It is plain what you are saying, you have no arguement so you have to come up with gibberish (as Yjocks would say peripetias or whatever).

Greece / Cyprus independant of each other

Turkey / TCs are one and the same.

Idiot

[Get Real!]

Does Christofias know something we don't?

Other than the fact that he’s offered unacceptable privileges to Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots so that a plan is never approved, I doubt it!