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[YFred]

Turkish army has a contingent of minimum 40.000 in north Cyprus..(this is normal time, when they are not needed) now lets say there is a war,they can double or triple that number absolutely in no time..

It goes to show how much you know about logistics during a war...

They have so many tanks stashed away all over Mesaoria plain you cannot comprehend.. You will not have time to load your artillery guns to fire second time.

That fast? Wow!

Let's assume you bombed and destroyed the two airfields..They have seven long-range KC-135R-CRAG Stratotanker aerial refueling planes for refueling their combat aircraft in mid air over Cyprus.

Aerial refueling over Cyprus during a war? Definitely not recommended!

Stop kidding yourselves that you can fight the Turkish army and survive..they keep a larger army than your population.

That’s based on your assumption that they are willing & able to bring it all here during a conflict…

Army of nutters who are not afraid of dying!!

The typical Turkish Cypriot mythology that Turks are superhuman!

Myth your arse GR. Ask any military person, whether they would have landed where they did of all the landing sites, and see what answer you get. You still don't get it. As much as you hate them, they are some soldiers and there is only a few other races in the world that can match them in bravery. Just Ghurkhas and Sikhs. To fight a war you need heart, the gun cannot fire itself. You need soldiers that don’t mind dying; these guys actually like to die on account of 72 virgins.

Admit it, against them you have no chance even if the numbers were the same. They would slaughter you in every sense of the word. Pack in this war talk.

[Get Real!]

Myth your arse GR. Ask any military person, whether they would have landed where they did of all the landing sites, and see what answer you get. You still don't get it. As much as you hate them, they are some soldiers and there is only a few other races in the world that can match them in bravery. Just Ghurkhas and Sikhs. To fight a war you need heart, the gun cannot fire itself. You need soldiers that don’t mind dying; these guys actually like to die on account of 72 virgins.

Admit it, against them you have no chance even if the numbers were the same. They would slaughter you in every sense of the word. Pack in this war talk.

Unsubstantiated drivel! I have NEVER heard anything worth mentioning about Turkish soldiers other than this…

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the United States Senate sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”


As always, their only advantage is great numbers… going back in history it reminds me of their 1570/1 attack of Famagusta when they lost 80,000 men to Bragaddin, and in the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights and soldiers stationed there!

Great numbers always, but as thick as bricks…

[insan]

Hellenic National Guard of GCs or National Fart of GCs?

‘Send draft dodgers to do social work’
By George Psyllides
(archive article - Friday, October 30, 2009)
PARENTS of conscripts serving in the National Guard yesterday warned parliament that immediate measures were needed to tackle draft dodging, which was constantly worsening.

It is said that one in five conscripts are draft dodgers, most exploiting an apparently weak screening system by citing psychological problems.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1

[YFred]

Myth your arse GR. Ask any military person, whether they would have landed where they did of all the landing sites, and see what answer you get. You still don't get it. As much as you hate them, they are some soldiers and there is only a few other races in the world that can match them in bravery. Just Ghurkhas and Sikhs. To fight a war you need heart, the gun cannot fire itself. You need soldiers that don’t mind dying; these guys actually like to die on account of 72 virgins.

Admit it, against them you have no chance even if the numbers were the same. They would slaughter you in every sense of the word. Pack in this war talk.

Unsubstantiated drivel! I have NEVER heard anything worth mentioning about Turkish soldiers other than this…

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the United States Senate sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”


As always, their only advantage is great numbers… going back in history it reminds me of their 1570/1 attack of Famagusta when they lost 80,000 men to Bragaddin, and in the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights and soldiers stationed there!

Great numbers always, but as thick as bricks…

You can believe what you like. Facts speak for themselves. TCs trust them with their lives, and that's good enough for me.

[bill cobbett]

A Numbers Game?

Listen boys and girls, I generally keep out of war-talk, cos war ain't nice and anyway CY has enough widows and orphans and memorials to the dead of war.

The only other contribution to all these meeeleetary strategies is to say that over the millenniums large armies have found out to their cost that it ain't numbers that are important but how much of that seemingly overwhelming power, that superior in numbers army, can be brought to bear on the battlefield to effect.

Suspect that the CY hilly, mountainous terrain (outside the Messoria and Morphou Plains) would be a great, great leveller.

... but must finish by repeating war is not nice, let's not go there.

[YFred]

A Numbers Game?

Listen boys and girls, I generally keep out of war-talk, cos war ain't nice and anyway CY has enough widows and orphans and memorials to the dead of war.

The only other contribution to all these meeeleetary strategies is to say that over the millenniums large armies have found out to their cost that it ain't numbers that are important but how much of that seemingly overwhelming power, that superior in numbers army, can be brought to bear on the battlefield to effect.

Suspect that the CY hilly, mountainous terrain (outside the Messoria and Morphou Plains) would be a great, great leveller.

... but must finish by repeating war is not nice, let's not go there.

I agree with you there Bill. But if you look at the landing site, it was quitte a hill and some leveller. If I am at war, those three races I do not wish to fight against. Personal preference. But war is nasty and talk is cheap. GR must have daily dose of shortcumings.

[Get Real!]

You can believe what you like. Facts speak for themselves. TCs trust them with their lives, and that's good enough for me.

What facts? Even Turks admit that they’re stupid…

Turkish Senior Columnist: Turks are Stupid

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/52360 ... tupid.html


What percentage of us are stupid? (% kaç aptalız?)

http://forreasonsunknown-cem.blogspot.c ... d-kac.html


…they just can’t help themselves.

[iceman]

As always, their only advantage is great numbers… going back in history it reminds me of their 1570/1 attack of Famagusta when they lost 80,000 men to Bragaddin, and in the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights and soldiers stationed there!

Great numbers always, but as thick as bricks…

yowww Don Quixote
You got your numbers mixed up again...80000 was the total number of the army brought over by the Ottomans back in 1570...NOT their loses..

[YFred]

As always, their only advantage is great numbers… going back in history it reminds me of their 1570/1 attack of Famagusta when they lost 80,000 men to Bragaddin, and in the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights and soldiers stationed there!

Great numbers always, but as thick as bricks…

yowww Don Quixote
You got your numbers mixed up again...80000 was the total number of the army brought over by the Ottomans back in 1570...NOT their loses..

Forgive my ignorance iceman but wasn't Don Quixote the stupid one who kept charging the windmills on his horse and kept decapitating them? And his stupid inferior friend on a donkey kept telling him not to do it.

[iceman]

As always, their only advantage is great numbers… going back in history it reminds me of their 1570/1 attack of Famagusta when they lost 80,000 men to Bragaddin, and in the siege of Malta of 1565 where some 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships were crashed by some 6,000 knights and soldiers stationed there!

Great numbers always, but as thick as bricks…

yowww Don Quixote
You got your numbers mixed up again...80000 was the total number of the army brought over by the Ottomans back in 1570...NOT their loses..

Forgive my ignorance iceman but wasn't Don Quixote the stupid one who kept charging the windmills on his horse and kept decapitating them? And his stupid inferior friend on a donkey kept telling him not to do it.

yeppp...that's him..Don Quixote and his servant Sancho Panza