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[Tony-4497]

More to the point is how many are alive today that was unable to enjoy the fruit of their labour, because roc has taken 35 years and is no nearer to a solution. That is the real shame.

That's irrelevant. Their next of kin automatically inherit their properties.

Is it really irrelevant to the solution? You live in dream world if you still think that everyone will be able to go back to their properties. We wouldn't last 5 minutes. There would be another Cyprus war, which is why TA ain't goin nowhere soon.

You live in a dream world if you think any plan will pass a GC referendum if it does not give the owner the first option on his property.

I have nothing against exchange and compensation, but for these to be trusted by owners, they have to be offered as options and not be forced upon them.

And for the economics of such an arrangement to work, the land under TC control cannot exceed 20-23%... it's quite simple, really..

[Jimski999]

Would one of you please clarify whether the Turkish Cypriots were actually ethnically cleansed from the southern areas, did they move north of their own accord or was it a demand by the Turkish army that they be relocated to the north as part of the ceasefire agreement. A Cypriot lady who I know told me that UN trucks collected Turkish Cypriots from a Turkish village close to Peyia and took them north. She told me how a young Turkish Cypriot boy hid from the UN soldiers and was later raised by a Greek Cypriot family; he was later to become one of the wealthiest businessmen in Paphos. She also told me that the Turkish Cypriots didn't want to leave the village but were forced on to the trucks by the UN soldiers.

[Tim Drayton]

Would one of you please clarify whether the Turkish Cypriots were actually ethnically cleansed from the southern areas, did they move north of their own accord or was it a demand by the Turkish army that they be relocated to the north as part of the ceasefire agreement. A Cypriot lady who I know told me that UN trucks collected Turkish Cypriots from a Turkish village close to Peyia and took them north. She told me how a young Turkish Cypriot boy hid from the UN soldiers and was later raised by a Greek Cypriot family; he was later to become one of the wealthiest businessmen in Paphos. She also told me that the Turkish Cypriots didn't want to leave the village but were forced on to the trucks by the UN soldiers.

This is a point that interests me a great deal, so I am glad you have raised it.

I know that the size of the Turkish Cypriot community here in Limassol has never fallen to absolute zero. Even in 1974 a few people - perhaps not numbering more than two dozen - stayed on. The size of this community, while still forming a miniscule proportion of the total population of the city, has been growing in recent years as more Turkish Cypriots move back here.

A couple of years ago there was an interview on CyBC's bilingual Biz/Emeis television programme with an elderly Turkish Cypriot woman living in one of the formerly mixed Limassol mountain villages - I think it was Moniatis - who was the only Turkish Cypriot to remain in the village when the evacuation took place (and she also said that she had to hide to avoid being evacuated). This woman today has grandchildren in the village.

I must confess that I have often spoken to Turkish Cypriots about their experiences, and nobody has ever spoken to me about being evacuated from their villages under duress, but rather of fleeing in fear of their lives.

Even so, I can't help feeling that the fact that about one hundred Turkish Cypriots remained in the south after 1974 and have lived to tell their story challenges certain entrenched positions of the hard-line partitionists.

[Tim Drayton]

The article in this thread is relevant to the above discussion:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus14230.html

[denizaksulu]

The following is the clip which was referred to in the first post.

This clip was first produced here by Oracle.



The interview with the Turkish Cypriot lady is at 15/45.

[YFred]

Would one of you please clarify whether the Turkish Cypriots were actually ethnically cleansed from the southern areas, did they move north of their own accord or was it a demand by the Turkish army that they be relocated to the north as part of the ceasefire agreement. A Cypriot lady who I know told me that UN trucks collected Turkish Cypriots from a Turkish village close to Peyia and took them north. She told me how a young Turkish Cypriot boy hid from the UN soldiers and was later raised by a Greek Cypriot family; he was later to become one of the wealthiest businessmen in Paphos. She also told me that the Turkish Cypriots didn't want to leave the village but were forced on to the trucks by the UN soldiers.

The TC refugees who lived in Lurucina, did not need any help from anybody to move to the north, when they were told they could they did with no hesitation.
I hope that answers your question.

[YFred]

Would one of you please clarify whether the Turkish Cypriots were actually ethnically cleansed from the southern areas, did they move north of their own accord or was it a demand by the Turkish army that they be relocated to the north as part of the ceasefire agreement. A Cypriot lady who I know told me that UN trucks collected Turkish Cypriots from a Turkish village close to Peyia and took them north. She told me how a young Turkish Cypriot boy hid from the UN soldiers and was later raised by a Greek Cypriot family; he was later to become one of the wealthiest businessmen in Paphos. She also told me that the Turkish Cypriots didn't want to leave the village but were forced on to the trucks by the UN soldiers.

This is a point that interests me a great deal, so I am glad you have raised it.

I know that the size of the Turkish Cypriot community here in Limassol has never fallen to absolute zero. Even in 1974 a few people - perhaps not numbering more than two dozen - stayed on. The size of this community, while still forming a miniscule proportion of the total population of the city, has been growing in recent years as more Turkish Cypriots move back here.

A couple of years ago there was an interview on CyBC's bilingual Biz/Emeis television programme with an elderly Turkish Cypriot woman living in one of the formerly mixed Limassol mountain villages - I think it was Moniatis - who was the only Turkish Cypriot to remain in the village when the evacuation took place (and she also said that she had to hide to avoid being evacuated). This woman today has grandchildren in the village.

I must confess that I have often spoken to Turkish Cypriots about their experiences, and nobody has ever spoken to me about being evacuated from their villages under duress, but rather of fleeing in fear of their lives.

Even so, I can't help feeling that the fact that about one hundred Turkish Cypriots remained in the south after 1974 and have lived to tell their story challenges certain entrenched positions of the hard-line partitionists.

Then the question you should be posing to the GC Untouchables is were they aware of the existance of these TC and their location.
Did the GC neighbours protect them from anybody?

[Tim Drayton]

Would one of you please clarify whether the Turkish Cypriots were actually ethnically cleansed from the southern areas, did they move north of their own accord or was it a demand by the Turkish army that they be relocated to the north as part of the ceasefire agreement. A Cypriot lady who I know told me that UN trucks collected Turkish Cypriots from a Turkish village close to Peyia and took them north. She told me how a young Turkish Cypriot boy hid from the UN soldiers and was later raised by a Greek Cypriot family; he was later to become one of the wealthiest businessmen in Paphos. She also told me that the Turkish Cypriots didn't want to leave the village but were forced on to the trucks by the UN soldiers.

This is a point that interests me a great deal, so I am glad you have raised it.

I know that the size of the Turkish Cypriot community here in Limassol has never fallen to absolute zero. Even in 1974 a few people - perhaps not numbering more than two dozen - stayed on. The size of this community, while still forming a miniscule proportion of the total population of the city, has been growing in recent years as more Turkish Cypriots move back here.

A couple of years ago there was an interview on CyBC's bilingual Biz/Emeis television programme with an elderly Turkish Cypriot woman living in one of the formerly mixed Limassol mountain villages - I think it was Moniatis - who was the only Turkish Cypriot to remain in the village when the evacuation took place (and she also said that she had to hide to avoid being evacuated). This woman today has grandchildren in the village.

I must confess that I have often spoken to Turkish Cypriots about their experiences, and nobody has ever spoken to me about being evacuated from their villages under duress, but rather of fleeing in fear of their lives.

Even so, I can't help feeling that the fact that about one hundred Turkish Cypriots remained in the south after 1974 and have lived to tell their story challenges certain entrenched positions of the hard-line partitionists.

Then the question you should be posing to the GC Untouchables is were they aware of the existance of these TC and their location.
Did the GC neighbours protect them from anybody?

I am not sure whether you are asking these questions tongue in cheek or not, but I think they are very valid. There is an interesting little slice of Cyprus oral history which is about to start dying out unless some researcher sets out to hear these stories.

[YFred]

Would one of you please clarify whether the Turkish Cypriots were actually ethnically cleansed from the southern areas, did they move north of their own accord or was it a demand by the Turkish army that they be relocated to the north as part of the ceasefire agreement. A Cypriot lady who I know told me that UN trucks collected Turkish Cypriots from a Turkish village close to Peyia and took them north. She told me how a young Turkish Cypriot boy hid from the UN soldiers and was later raised by a Greek Cypriot family; he was later to become one of the wealthiest businessmen in Paphos. She also told me that the Turkish Cypriots didn't want to leave the village but were forced on to the trucks by the UN soldiers.

This is a point that interests me a great deal, so I am glad you have raised it.

I know that the size of the Turkish Cypriot community here in Limassol has never fallen to absolute zero. Even in 1974 a few people - perhaps not numbering more than two dozen - stayed on. The size of this community, while still forming a miniscule proportion of the total population of the city, has been growing in recent years as more Turkish Cypriots move back here.

A couple of years ago there was an interview on CyBC's bilingual Biz/Emeis television programme with an elderly Turkish Cypriot woman living in one of the formerly mixed Limassol mountain villages - I think it was Moniatis - who was the only Turkish Cypriot to remain in the village when the evacuation took place (and she also said that she had to hide to avoid being evacuated). This woman today has grandchildren in the village.

I must confess that I have often spoken to Turkish Cypriots about their experiences, and nobody has ever spoken to me about being evacuated from their villages under duress, but rather of fleeing in fear of their lives.

Even so, I can't help feeling that the fact that about one hundred Turkish Cypriots remained in the south after 1974 and have lived to tell their story challenges certain entrenched positions of the hard-line partitionists.

Then the question you should be posing to the GC Untouchables is were they aware of the existance of these TC and their location.
Did the GC neighbours protect them from anybody?

I am not sure whether you are asking these questions tongue in cheek or not, but I think they are very valid. There is an interesting little slice of Cyprus oral history which is about to start dying out unless some researcher sets out to hear these stories.

I didn't wink did I? Judging by what happened in some villages, I would hazard a guess and say they were protected by decent GCs.

[Tim Drayton]

Would one of you please clarify whether the Turkish Cypriots were actually ethnically cleansed from the southern areas, did they move north of their own accord or was it a demand by the Turkish army that they be relocated to the north as part of the ceasefire agreement. A Cypriot lady who I know told me that UN trucks collected Turkish Cypriots from a Turkish village close to Peyia and took them north. She told me how a young Turkish Cypriot boy hid from the UN soldiers and was later raised by a Greek Cypriot family; he was later to become one of the wealthiest businessmen in Paphos. She also told me that the Turkish Cypriots didn't want to leave the village but were forced on to the trucks by the UN soldiers.

The TC refugees who lived in Lurucina, did not need any help from anybody to move to the north, when they were told they could they did with no hesitation.
I hope that answers your question.

What about the famous Ibrahim Aziz, the TC living in the south who successfully brought a case against the RoC at the European Court of Human Rights claiming that Turkish Cypriots were denied the right to vote. I think he was originally from Potamya or Dali. Was he not among those evacuated to Louroujina in 1964? If so, some people did not want to head north.