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Postby insan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:11 am

Get Real! wrote:Hey jelly-head… read your map! What’s that Green line for? :lol:


Hey stupid imbecile! Have a look at bottom left corner of the map to see maximum extent of Hittite empire. :lol: If u need a pair of optic glasses just ask Billy C. :lol:
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Postby insan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:14 am

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Hattusili's son, Tudhaliya IV, was the last strong Hittite king able to keep the Assyrians out of Syria and even temporarily annex the island of Cyprus. The very last king, Suppiluliuma II also managed to win some victories, including a naval battle against the Sea Peoples off the coast of Cyprus. But it was too late.

The Sea Peoples had already begun their push down the Mediterranean coastline, starting from the Aegean, and continuing all the way to Philistia -- taking Cilicia and Cyprus away from the Hittites en route and cutting off their coveted trade routes. This left the Hittite homelands vulnerable to attack from all directions, and Hattusa was burnt to the ground sometime around 1180 BC following a combined onslaught from Gasgas, Bryges and Luwians. The Hittite Empire thus vanished from the historical record.


http://www.crystalinks.com/hittites.html

Does it remind u just another thing(geo-politc and geo-strategic) between the Hittite-Cyprus and Turkey-Cyprus relation? :wink:

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Insan, if Cyprus belong to the Hittites, where were the cheekeyrottens.


When Hittites took control of Cyprus there weren't kirokitians around but there were some other aboriginal nations believed to have Etheo-Cypriot and Phoenecian ethnic backgrounds. It is believed that kirokitians went extinct sometime in BC.

So GR is dead but he doesn’t even know it. Can somebody please tell him he is extinct please but in greek. He has difficulty understanding such concepts in any other language.


He well knows that kirokitians went extinct but it's too difficult for him who once was brainwashed by his so-called kirokitian ancestors and made believe that he was kirokitian descent. :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:29 am

Hattusili's son, Tudhaliya IV, was the last strong Hittite king able to keep the Assyrians out of Syria and even temporarily annex the island of Cyprus.


Remember the "temporary" part, because that holds true for all foreign invaders of Cyprus, including the Turks ;)

By the way, Tudhaliya IV rained between 1237 BCE and 1209 BCE. Cyprus already had a Greek population by that time and by having some Hittie ruler for a while didn't change this fact. So this answers your question "What was the GC population of Cyprus during the Hittite Rule?" ;)

And the Phonecians came much later, in the 8th century BC.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:33 am

When Hittites took control of Cyprus there weren't kirokitians around but there were some other aboriginal nations believed to have Etheo-Cypriot and Phoenecian ethnic backgrounds. It is believed that kirokitians went extinct sometime in BC.


Correct. But you intentionally forgot to add the Greeks in your list, who came to Cyprus before the Phoenicians and where also here during the short Hittie rule. If you consider the Phoenicians and the others as aboriginal nations of Cyprus, then you have to accept the same for the Greeks.
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Postby insan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:49 am

Piratis wrote:
Hattusili's son, Tudhaliya IV, was the last strong Hittite king able to keep the Assyrians out of Syria and even temporarily annex the island of Cyprus.


Remember the "temporary" part, because that holds true for all foreign invaders of Cyprus, including the Turks ;)

By the way, Tudhaliya IV rained between 1237 BCE and 1209 BCE. Cyprus already had a Greek population by that time and by having some Hittie ruler for a while didn't change this fact. So this answers your question "What was the GC population of Cyprus during the Hittite Rule?" ;)

And the Phonecians came much later, in the 8th century BC.


Oh really? :lol:

Hittite Rule – 1,500- 1,450 B.C.E.

Development of ceramics and a distinctive script


Egyptian Rule – 1450 – 1000 B.C.E.

Egyptian domination of the island


City States – 1,200 – 1,000 B.C.E.

Limassol lies between the remains of two city states Amathus (19 km away from Limassol) and Khourion (19 km west of Limassol)
Amathus part of which lies under water had been settled since the Neolithic period but finds of this time are rare. Excavations show Geometric, Archaic, Classical, Hellenistic and Roman periods of settlement. You can see a walled acropolis, lower town, port, and necropolis.
Khourion is an important ancient city-kingdom and one of the most spectacular archaeological sites on the island.

http://www.limassol.eu/

When is that Greek invasion of Cyprus before 1200 BC?
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Postby YFred » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:54 am

insan wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hattusili's son, Tudhaliya IV, was the last strong Hittite king able to keep the Assyrians out of Syria and even temporarily annex the island of Cyprus.


Remember the "temporary" part, because that holds true for all foreign invaders of Cyprus, including the Turks ;)

By the way, Tudhaliya IV rained between 1237 BCE and 1209 BCE. Cyprus already had a Greek population by that time and by having some Hittie ruler for a while didn't change this fact. So this answers your question "What was the GC population of Cyprus during the Hittite Rule?" ;)

And the Phonecians came much later, in the 8th century BC.


Oh really? :lol:

Hittite Rule – 1,500- 1,450 B.C.E.

Development of ceramics and a distinctive script


Egyptian Rule – 1450 – 1000 B.C.E.

Egyptian domination of the island


City States – 1,200 – 1,000 B.C.E.

Limassol lies between the remains of two city states Amathus (19 km away from Limassol) and Khourion (19 km west of Limassol)
Amathus part of which lies under water had been settled since the Neolithic period but finds of this time are rare. Excavations show Geometric, Archaic, Classical, Hellenistic and Roman periods of settlement. You can see a walled acropolis, lower town, port, and necropolis.
Khourion is an important ancient city-kingdom and one of the most spectacular archaeological sites on the island.

http://www.limassol.eu/

When is that Greek invasion of Cyprus before 1200 BC?

Insan wash your mouth with soap, and say U Banaiyamu three times and ask for forgiveness from virgin mary. That's the one, the one that had a baby when she was a virgin. Greeks invaded Cyprus? what ever next?
You must realise by now that Greeks were the original subhumans created by god and populated the whole world before evolution. I understand that they were pig like creatures. The whole world belongs to them.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:02 am

insan wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hattusili's son, Tudhaliya IV, was the last strong Hittite king able to keep the Assyrians out of Syria and even temporarily annex the island of Cyprus.


Remember the "temporary" part, because that holds true for all foreign invaders of Cyprus, including the Turks ;)

By the way, Tudhaliya IV rained between 1237 BCE and 1209 BCE. Cyprus already had a Greek population by that time and by having some Hittie ruler for a while didn't change this fact. So this answers your question "What was the GC population of Cyprus during the Hittite Rule?" ;)

And the Phonecians came much later, in the 8th century BC.


Oh really? :lol:

Hittite Rule – 1,500- 1,450 B.C.E.

Development of ceramics and a distinctive script


Egyptian Rule – 1450 – 1000 B.C.E.

Egyptian domination of the island


City States – 1,200 – 1,000 B.C.E.

Limassol lies between the remains of two city states Amathus (19 km away from Limassol) and Khourion (19 km west of Limassol)
Amathus part of which lies under water had been settled since the Neolithic period but finds of this time are rare. Excavations show Geometric, Archaic, Classical, Hellenistic and Roman periods of settlement. You can see a walled acropolis, lower town, port, and necropolis.
Khourion is an important ancient city-kingdom and one of the most spectacular archaeological sites on the island.

http://www.limassol.eu/

When is that Greek invasion of Cyprus before 1200 BC?


Your sources contradict themselves. One say that Hitties temporarily annexed Cyprus during the rule of Tudhaliya IV (who rained between 1237 BCE and 1209 BCE), and the other one talks about "Hittite Rule – 1,500- 1,450 B.C.E."

Shows how reliable your sources are :lol:

There was never a "Greek Invasion" of Cyprus. Greeks peacefully settled in Cyprus at around 1400B.C. No annexation, no invasion, no empire building. Those are the things that the temporary foreign rulers did, not the Greeks.
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Postby insan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:05 am

Piratis wrote:
When Hittites took control of Cyprus there weren't kirokitians around but there were some other aboriginal nations believed to have Etheo-Cypriot and Phoenecian ethnic backgrounds. It is believed that kirokitians went extinct sometime in BC.


Correct. But you intentionally forgot to add the Greeks in your list, who came to Cyprus before the Phoenicians and where also here during the short Hittie rule. If you consider the Phoenicians and the others as aboriginal nations of Cyprus, then you have to accept the same for the Greeks.


Achean Greeks invaded Cyprus for a short time then were kicked out by Hittites again. They couldn't settle down to Cyprus during the Hittite rule neither during the Egyptian Rule.

If u refer to Mycaneans, they weren't Greeks.

Mycenaeans

The Mycenaeans were Indo-Europeans who blended into the indigenous Greek population between 2800 and 2000 BC. While city states had emerged by 1600 BC (the same time at which Mycenaean culture also appears on Cyprus), the Mycenaeans did not form one nation state, but instead banded their independent city states together under one leader in times of trouble. During their own time they were known primarily as Achaeans, after the Achaea region of Greece.
The only state to buck the trend is that of Alashiya, which prospers, perhaps due to the removal of Mycenaean dominance in the region.



http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingLists ... ycenae.htm
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Postby insan » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:09 am

Piratis wrote:
insan wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hattusili's son, Tudhaliya IV, was the last strong Hittite king able to keep the Assyrians out of Syria and even temporarily annex the island of Cyprus.


Remember the "temporary" part, because that holds true for all foreign invaders of Cyprus, including the Turks ;)

By the way, Tudhaliya IV rained between 1237 BCE and 1209 BCE. Cyprus already had a Greek population by that time and by having some Hittie ruler for a while didn't change this fact. So this answers your question "What was the GC population of Cyprus during the Hittite Rule?" ;)

And the Phonecians came much later, in the 8th century BC.


Oh really? :lol:

Hittite Rule – 1,500- 1,450 B.C.E.

Development of ceramics and a distinctive script


Egyptian Rule – 1450 – 1000 B.C.E.

Egyptian domination of the island


City States – 1,200 – 1,000 B.C.E.

Limassol lies between the remains of two city states Amathus (19 km away from Limassol) and Khourion (19 km west of Limassol)
Amathus part of which lies under water had been settled since the Neolithic period but finds of this time are rare. Excavations show Geometric, Archaic, Classical, Hellenistic and Roman periods of settlement. You can see a walled acropolis, lower town, port, and necropolis.
Khourion is an important ancient city-kingdom and one of the most spectacular archaeological sites on the island.

http://www.limassol.eu/

When is that Greek invasion of Cyprus before 1200 BC?


Your sources contradict themselves. One say that Hitties temporarily annexed Cyprus during the rule of Tudhaliya IV (who rained between 1237 BCE and 1209 BCE), and the other one talks about "Hittite Rule – 1,500- 1,450 B.C.E."

Shows how reliable your sources are :lol:

There was never a "Greek Invasion" of Cyprus. Greeks peacefully settled in Cyprus at around 1400B.C. No annexation, no invasion, no empire building. Those are the things that the temporary foreign rulers did, not the Greeks.


That was the conquest of Cyprus by 3rd Hittite Kingdom u illiterate fool. :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:28 am

insan wrote:
Piratis wrote:
When Hittites took control of Cyprus there weren't kirokitians around but there were some other aboriginal nations believed to have Etheo-Cypriot and Phoenecian ethnic backgrounds. It is believed that kirokitians went extinct sometime in BC.


Correct. But you intentionally forgot to add the Greeks in your list, who came to Cyprus before the Phoenicians and where also here during the short Hittie rule. If you consider the Phoenicians and the others as aboriginal nations of Cyprus, then you have to accept the same for the Greeks.


Achean Greeks invaded Cyprus for a short time then were kicked out by Hittites again. They couldn't settle down to Cyprus during the Hittite rule neither during the Egyptian Rule.

If u refer to Mycaneans, they weren't Greeks.

Mycenaeans

The Mycenaeans were Indo-Europeans who blended into the indigenous Greek population between 2800 and 2000 BC. While city states had emerged by 1600 BC (the same time at which Mycenaean culture also appears on Cyprus), the Mycenaeans did not form one nation state, but instead banded their independent city states together under one leader in times of trouble. During their own time they were known primarily as Achaeans, after the Achaea region of Greece.
The only state to buck the trend is that of Alashiya, which prospers, perhaps due to the removal of Mycenaean dominance in the region.



http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingLists ... ycenae.htm


Mycenaeans and all Greeks in general are indo-European people. The author of the above article wrongly talks about "indigenous Greek population" while he actually means Early Helladic populations which were not Greek or indo-european and inhabited the Greek mainland before the Greeks.
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