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[Expatkiwi]

The TRNC's government is a government of representatives elected by the people living in the TRNC, yet its organs of power and control answer to a foreign country: Turkey. Is this what the people of the TRNC wanted?
Somaliland has more ligitimacy owing to it not having any other country protecting it, thus making it truly independent. The government in Ankara - through its embassy in Nicosia - is calling the shots in the north, and as a result, is making a mockery of the 1983 Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Rauf Denktas told me in a letter that the TRNC needed to be declared to ensure the survival of the Turkish Cypriot people as a nation. Judging from what I have read about Cypriot history since 1960, I'm in agreement, but if the price paid for the UDI is the eventual annexation of the TRNC to Turkey, then Mr. Denktas' 1983 proclaimation has actually sealed his people's fate. So much for the sovereignty of the government of the TRNC.

[Bananiot]

Partition is a better choice than anarchy. After all, forcing a bitterly divorced couple to live under one roof is doomed to failure...

There are two types of people (from both sides) that want partition. The confirmed nationalists and the self proclaimed guardians of human rights who in the past, however, failed miserably in this field and have thus waived away any sort of credibility they claim to process. In fact, the second group derives from the first one.

Soon a "war" will break out, between the Cypriots (from both sides) that seek solution so that our two communities can live together in peace and those that dread solution, for various reasons. On both sides, the bigots are doing everything right now to convince us that the talks are doomed because they hate to wake up one morning and hear that the talks are nearing to a happy end. The messages sent by Eroglu and the rejectionists in the GC community are amazingly similar. They have a common enemy: SOLUTION.

I believe the forces that do want solution are gathering strength. The environment today has nothing to do with 2004. Today, there is no Papadopoulos and in Greece, George Papandreou is a strong supporter of solution. The signals from Turkey are also positive and our rejectionists have already started to condition people that what we are witnessing is nothing more that a communication ploy. Old tricks, in a different environment, however. This time people will not be fooled that easily.

Expatkiwi, decent Cypriots do not want a divorce. We have been forced apart for too long. This time, we should be calling the shots and tell the bigots in a clear voice, GC's and TC's together: You have done all the damage you could have done. Now, leave us along to start the new age for Cyprus where the two communities will at long last begin to live a proper life in a secure, peaceful, cooperative and above all humane environment where GC's and TC's can forge solid bonds of friendship.

[Viewpoint]

Partition is a better choice than anarchy. After all, forcing a bitterly divorced couple to live under one roof is doomed to failure...

There are two types of people (from both sides) that want partition. The confirmed nationalists and the self proclaimed guardians of human rights who in the past, however, failed miserably in this field and have thus waived away any sort of credibility they claim to process. In fact, the second group derives from the first one.

Soon a "war" will break out, between the Cypriots (from both sides) that seek solution so that our two communities can live together in peace and those that dread solution, for various reasons. On both sides, the bigots are doing everything right now to convince us that the talks are doomed because they hate to wake up one morning and hear that the talks are nearing to a happy end. The messages sent by Eroglu and the rejectionists in the GC community are amazingly similar. They have a common enemy: SOLUTION.

I believe the forces that do want solution are gathering strength. The environment today has nothing to do with 2004. Today, there is no Papadopoulos and in Greece, George Papandreou is a strong supporter of solution. The signals from Turkey are also positive and our rejectionists have already started to condition people that what we are witnessing is nothing more that a communication ploy. Old tricks, in a different environment, however. This time people will not be fooled that easily.

Expatkiwi, decent Cypriots do not want a divorce. We have been forced apart for too long. This time, we should be calling the shots and tell the bigots in a clear voice, GC's and TC's together: You have done all the damage you could have done. Now, leave us along to start the new age for Cyprus where the two communities will at long last begin to live a proper life in a secure, peaceful, cooperative and above all humane environment where GC's and TC's can forge solid bonds of friendship.

In the north there is a loss of interest in the talks and hope is non exsistent everyone appears to be accepting that the status quo is the best solution that can be had under the circumstancies. This does not bode well for those GCs like you who really desire a solution that would address both sides concerns as the population in the north is more Turkified it will be the GCs who do not want to unite and start to accept agreed partition. As you know if all GCs were like I would accept all your demands as I trust that you would do right by not only GCs but also TCs but unfortunately for us you are not and therefore we have to act accordingly to attainable goals which primarily is the current status quo with a relaxation of the isolation over the coming years.

[YFred]

Partition is a better choice than anarchy. After all, forcing a bitterly divorced couple to live under one roof is doomed to failure...

There are two types of people (from both sides) that want partition. The confirmed nationalists and the self proclaimed guardians of human rights who in the past, however, failed miserably in this field and have thus waived away any sort of credibility they claim to process. In fact, the second group derives from the first one.

Soon a "war" will break out, between the Cypriots (from both sides) that seek solution so that our two communities can live together in peace and those that dread solution, for various reasons. On both sides, the bigots are doing everything right now to convince us that the talks are doomed because they hate to wake up one morning and hear that the talks are nearing to a happy end. The messages sent by Eroglu and the rejectionists in the GC community are amazingly similar. They have a common enemy: SOLUTION.

I believe the forces that do want solution are gathering strength. The environment today has nothing to do with 2004. Today, there is no Papadopoulos and in Greece, George Papandreou is a strong supporter of solution. The signals from Turkey are also positive and our rejectionists have already started to condition people that what we are witnessing is nothing more that a communication ploy. Old tricks, in a different environment, however. This time people will not be fooled that easily.

Expatkiwi, decent Cypriots do not want a divorce. We have been forced apart for too long. This time, we should be calling the shots and tell the bigots in a clear voice, GC's and TC's together: You have done all the damage you could have done. Now, leave us along to start the new age for Cyprus where the two communities will at long last begin to live a proper life in a secure, peaceful, cooperative and above all humane environment where GC's and TC's can forge solid bonds of friendship.

In the north there is a loss of interest in the talks and hope is non exsistent everyone appears to be accepting that the status quo is the best solution that can be had under the circumstancies. This does not bode well for those GCs like you who really desire a solution that would address both sides concerns as the population in the north is more Turkified it will be the GCs who do not want to unite and start to accept agreed partition. As you know if all GCs were like I would accept all your demands as I trust that you would do right by not only GCs but also TCs but unfortunately for us you are not and therefore we have to act accordingly to attainable goals which primarily is the current status quo with a relaxation of the isolation over the coming years.

VP, no matter what happens in these talks and no matter what develops in favour of the TCs after, especially if the talks fail, the real Cypriots will not give up the effort to bring the two communities together. Those contacts will continue, because it makes social, political and economic sense. These efforts started long before the crossings opened when it was seen as treason by both sides.

[Viewpoint]

Yfred meeting up for meals and social activities does not constitute anything after 5 years of "socialising" nothing has changed the mentality is still the same as it was in 1963...but worse because allowing for the fact that people we more ignorant back then.

[Malapapa]

Yfred meeting up for meals and social activities does not constitute anything after 5 years of "socialising" nothing has changed the mentality is still the same as it was in 1963...but worse because allowing for the fact that people we more ignorant back then.

That's not entirely fair. You're certainly an exception.

[YFred]

Yfred meeting up for meals and social activities does not constitute anything after 5 years of "socialising" nothing has changed the mentality is still the same as it was in 1963...but worse because allowing for the fact that people we more ignorant back then.

Just a few years ago people were afraid of talking out, for fear of being accused of being traitors.
5000 people would gather in TRNC for peace and they would be labelled as traitors. Then it grew to 50000 Dengtash and Turkey gave way. It certainly is a hell of a lot better now than it was anytime between 63 and before the crossings opened.

[Get Real!]

The TRNC's government is a government of representatives elected by the people living in the TRNC, yet its organs of power and control answer to a foreign country: Turkey. Is this what the people of the TRNC wanted?
Somaliland has more ligitimacy owing to it not having any other country protecting it, thus making it truly independent. The government in Ankara - through its embassy in Nicosia - is calling the shots in the north, and as a result, is making a mockery of the 1983 Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Rauf Denktas told me in a letter that the TRNC needed to be declared to ensure the survival of the Turkish Cypriot people as a nation. Judging from what I have read about Cypriot history since 1960, I'm in agreement, but if the price paid for the UDI is the eventual annexation of the TRNC to Turkey, then Mr. Denktas' 1983 proclaimation has actually sealed his people's fate. So much for the sovereignty of the government of the TRNC.

[YFred]

The TRNC's government is a government of representatives elected by the people living in the TRNC, yet its organs of power and control answer to a foreign country: Turkey. Is this what the people of the TRNC wanted?
Somaliland has more ligitimacy owing to it not having any other country protecting it, thus making it truly independent. The government in Ankara - through its embassy in Nicosia - is calling the shots in the north, and as a result, is making a mockery of the 1983 Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Rauf Denktas told me in a letter that the TRNC needed to be declared to ensure the survival of the Turkish Cypriot people as a nation. Judging from what I have read about Cypriot history since 1960, I'm in agreement, but if the price paid for the UDI is the eventual annexation of the TRNC to Turkey, then Mr. Denktas' 1983 proclaimation has actually sealed his people's fate. So much for the sovereignty of the government of the TRNC.

GR, who is that floggin you. Isn’t cruelty to animals’ illegal in the roc?

It looks like Kurubtrakis.

[Get Real!]

The TRNC's government is a government of representatives elected by the people living in the TRNC, yet its organs of power and control answer to a foreign country: Turkey. Is this what the people of the TRNC wanted?
Somaliland has more ligitimacy owing to it not having any other country protecting it, thus making it truly independent. The government in Ankara - through its embassy in Nicosia - is calling the shots in the north, and as a result, is making a mockery of the 1983 Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Rauf Denktas told me in a letter that the TRNC needed to be declared to ensure the survival of the Turkish Cypriot people as a nation. Judging from what I have read about Cypriot history since 1960, I'm in agreement, but if the price paid for the UDI is the eventual annexation of the TRNC to Turkey, then Mr. Denktas' 1983 proclaimation has actually sealed his people's fate. So much for the sovereignty of the government of the TRNC.

GR, who is that floggin you. Isn’t cruelty to animals’ illegal in the roc?

It looks like Kurubtrakis.

Turkey has been flogging the dead mule for 35 years but to no avail…