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[YFred]

Insan, your comments about the left are a little wide of the mark, do you not think?

The number of seats won by the parties contesting the 1981 general election in the Turkish Cypriot Federated State were as follow:

UBP 19
DHP 11
TKP 7
CTP 2
HP 1

In other words, left-wing opposition parties won 21 of the 40 seats in the parliament. In fact, the Turkish ambassador stepped in and brokered a deal in which the CTP entered a coalition government with the UBP in return for receiving three ministries. This was two years before the TRNC was proclaimed.

All of this sits a little awkwardly with your claim that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots support right wing parties. In fact, as of this date the left, divided as it always has been, has performed well in every subsequent election in northern Cyprus.

As to your arguments about the absence of any left-wing leader of standing, one could perhaps ask if such leading Turkish Cypriot members of the socialist and labour movement such as Fazıl Önder or Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu could not have filled this void had they not been killed by the TMT.

DHP was not a left wing party. It was formed by a group left UBP.

According to Vikipedi:

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokratik ... umhuriyeti)

Demokratik Halk Partisi (DHP), 1978'de Ulusal Birlik Partisi'nden ayrılan bir grup sosyal demokrat milletvekili tarafından kuruldu.

The Democratic People’s Party (DTP) was founded by a group of social democrat deputies who left the National Unity Party (UBP) in 1978.

Have they got this wrong, then?

Isn't that what Insan said too.
But in fact the real reason why DTP was formed is because Dengtash wanted his son to lead UBP and realised that he could not, so he set up the party to set his son as head. So really it is all pretence. There was nothing social democratic about that party. Their policies were the same. Their stars were aligned with TPapa which says it all.

[Tim Drayton]

Insan, your comments about the left are a little wide of the mark, do you not think?

The number of seats won by the parties contesting the 1981 general election in the Turkish Cypriot Federated State were as follow:

UBP 19
DHP 11
TKP 7
CTP 2
HP 1

In other words, left-wing opposition parties won 21 of the 40 seats in the parliament. In fact, the Turkish ambassador stepped in and brokered a deal in which the CTP entered a coalition government with the UBP in return for receiving three ministries. This was two years before the TRNC was proclaimed.

All of this sits a little awkwardly with your claim that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots support right wing parties. In fact, as of this date the left, divided as it always has been, has performed well in every subsequent election in northern Cyprus.

As to your arguments about the absence of any left-wing leader of standing, one could perhaps ask if such leading Turkish Cypriot members of the socialist and labour movement such as Fazıl Önder or Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu could not have filled this void had they not been killed by the TMT.

DHP was not a left wing party. It was formed by a group left UBP.

According to Vikipedi:

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokratik ... umhuriyeti)

Demokratik Halk Partisi (DHP), 1978'de Ulusal Birlik Partisi'nden ayrılan bir grup sosyal demokrat milletvekili tarafından kuruldu.

The Democratic People’s Party (DTP) was founded by a group of social democrat deputies who left the National Unity Party (UBP) in 1978.

Have they got this wrong, then?

Isn't that what Insan said too.
But in fact the real reason why DTP was formed is because Dengtash wanted his son to lead UBP and realised that he could not, so he set up the party to set his son as head. So really it is all pretence. There was nothing social democratic about that party. Their policies were the same. Their stars were aligned with TPapa which says it all.

That's my mistake - we are taking about the relatively short-lived DHP, not Denktash junior's DTP.

[insan]

Insan, your comments about the left are a little wide of the mark, do you not think?

The number of seats won by the parties contesting the 1981 general election in the Turkish Cypriot Federated State were as follow:

UBP 19
DHP 11
TKP 7
CTP 2
HP 1

In other words, left-wing opposition parties won 21 of the 40 seats in the parliament. In fact, the Turkish ambassador stepped in and brokered a deal in which the CTP entered a coalition government with the UBP in return for receiving three ministries. This was two years before the TRNC was proclaimed.

All of this sits a little awkwardly with your claim that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots support right wing parties. In fact, as of this date the left, divided as it always has been, has performed well in every subsequent election in northern Cyprus.

As to your arguments about the absence of any left-wing leader of standing, one could perhaps ask if such leading Turkish Cypriot members of the socialist and labour movement such as Fazıl Önder or Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu could not have filled this void had they not been killed by the TMT.

DHP was not a left wing party. It was formed by a group left UBP.

According to Vikipedi:

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokratik ... umhuriyeti)

Demokratik Halk Partisi (DHP), 1978'de Ulusal Birlik Partisi'nden ayrılan bir grup sosyal demokrat milletvekili tarafından kuruldu.

The Democratic People’s Party (DTP) was founded by a group of social democrat deputies who left the National Unity Party (UBP) in 1978.

Have they got this wrong, then?

That was how they described themselves but they weren't actually. It was a group in UBP who exactly believed the same political principles but becuse of interest conflicts they split from UBP and formed DHP.

DHP is not a political party which established from the scratch like leftist CTP and social democrat TKP. Even leftism of TKP is highly questionable. TKP has always swinged between left and right depending on it's leadership and interests.

Even CTP after collapse of soviet union cannot be considered a genuine leftist party anymore. By judging them from their actions when they were the majority in government during the previous term, it is clearly seen that they have just a little divergence from right wing parties.

As I previously and many times I've stated our politicians and political parties(mostly right winged) compose of a few dozens of illiterate, self-seeker old generation TCs who badly wounded and hurt by cold war circumstances, intercommunal violence and deprived from the rigt to a proper education and humanely living living conditions.

Their greatest supporter Turkey also couldn't adequately contribute the development of state governance, political life and economy of TCs because of internal and external crisis of Turkey. In the last 35 years Turkey changed 23 governments.

In the last few years there r some good developments in the name of democracy, human rights and political stability both in Turkey and in TRNC.

The biggest handicap of TC and Turkish politicians is being on a very "hotspot" of the world. This is followed by being a Turk and Muslim which makes the job of TC and Turkish politicians even much harder... How hard the job of politicians determinde the course of development of economic, social and cultural life of their people.

[Tim Drayton]

Sorry again, Serdar Denktash's party is the DP. There is no DTP, is there?

[YFred]

Sorry again, Serdar Denktash's party is the DP. There is no DTP, is there?

Maybe they used DTP to publish their manifesto.

But does it matter, we don't exist. TRNC does not exist never mind the parties within it.

[Tim Drayton]

That was how they described themselves but they weren't actually. It was a group in UBP who exactly believed the same political principles but becuse of interest conflicts they split from UBP and formed DHP.

[...]

Thank you for your detailed reply.

Just to split hairs, since this party described itself as being social democratic and presumably stood on a social democratic platform in that election, one could argue that the votes it received were in support of left-wing policies, and that as such the 1981 election was won by the left.

[YFred]

That was how they described themselves but they weren't actually. It was a group in UBP who exactly believed the same political principles but becuse of interest conflicts they split from UBP and formed DHP.

[...]

Thank you for your detailed reply.

Just to split hairs, since this party described itself as being social democratic and presumably stood on a social democratic platform in that election, one could argue that the votes it received were in support of left-wing policies, and that as such the 1981 election was won by the left.

That is the fate of all left leaning parties in most countries. They are not selfish enough to get power. Principle comes first unfortunately.

[insan]

That was how they described themselves but they weren't actually. It was a group in UBP who exactly believed the same political principles but becuse of interest conflicts they split from UBP and formed DHP.

[...]

Thank you for your detailed reply.

Just to split hairs, since this party described itself as being social democratic and presumably stood on a social democratic platform in that election, one could argue that the votes it received were in support of left-wing policies, and that as such the 1981 election was won by the left.

At first glance u may get that impression but actually it is not...

[Expatkiwi]

I don't want to give up on the TRNC, Insan.

Why not?

Integrity.

[YFred]

I don't want to give up on the TRNC, Insan.

Why not?

Integrity.

You are talking to the most Integritually challenged sub-human on the planet along with some of his friends, so please take that into consideration.