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[YFred]

Although I have been mercilessly critisizing our incompetent politicans for not making strong and effective policies towards proving that there is really a seperate sovereign state in North of Cyprus; actually I'm expecting too much from an old generation of TCs(mostly right winged) who were badly wounded and hurt by the cold war, intercommunal violance and deprived from the right to a proper education and living conditions for many decades.

You should listen to the old uneducated men you criticize...

"A sovereign state, commonly simply referred to as a state, is a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

From the same link u have given above...

Other states may have sovereignty over a territory but as they lack international recognition, are de facto states only.

... and from the same source u have used above....

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti, KKTC), commonly called Northern Cyprus or North Cyprus [4] (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs), is a de facto independent republic[5][6][7] located in the north of Cyprus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRNC

de facto you illegally occupy north Cyprus. De jure it belongs to us and Republic of Cyprus. Tell us something we didn't know Everybody knows this. So what did you want your politicians to prove?

.....and your cage is now cleaned and ready for you, get back in at the double, before the man with a whip arrives.

[Expatkiwi]

It doesn't overly matter if the state is de jure or de facto, but it does matter if the state's government does not exercise effective control.

[insan]

It doesn't overly matter if the state is de jure or de facto, but it does matter if the state's government does not exercise effective control.

so, under these circumstances u think to give up supporting the TRNC or u have plans to contribute efforts of TRNC governments to exercise effective control in it's territory?

[Expatkiwi]

so, under these circumstances u think to give up supporting the TRNC or u have plans to contribute efforts of TRNC governments to exercise effective control in it's territory?

I don't want to give up on the TRNC, Insan. I just want to know if Turkey really intends to treat TRNC as a soveriegn allied power, or simply as a dependency.

[Get Real!]

I don't want to give up on the TRNC, Insan.

Why not?

[Tim Drayton]

so, under these circumstances u think to give up supporting the TRNC or u have plans to contribute efforts of TRNC governments to exercise effective control in it's territory?

I don't want to give up on the TRNC, Insan. I just want to know if Turkey really intends to treat TRNC as a soveriegn allied power, or simply as a dependency.

There are many subtle ways in which even Turkey fails to grant full recognition to the TRNC as a state. For example, no Turkish football team has ever played even a friendly match with a north Cyprus football team, and the state Turkish airlines has never flown to Ercan/Tymbou.

[alexISS]

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[Tim Drayton]

Insan, your comments about the left are a little wide of the mark, do you not think?

The number of seats won by the parties contesting the 1981 general election in the Turkish Cypriot Federated State were as follow:

UBP 19
DHP 11
TKP 7
CTP 2
HP 1

In other words, left-wing opposition parties won 21 of the 40 seats in the parliament. In fact, the Turkish ambassador stepped in and brokered a deal in which the CTP entered a coalition government with the UBP in return for receiving three ministries. This was two years before the TRNC was proclaimed.

All of this sits a little awkwardly with your claim that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots support right wing parties. In fact, as of this date the left, divided as it always has been, has performed well in every subsequent election in northern Cyprus.

As to your arguments about the absence of any left-wing leader of standing, one could perhaps ask if such leading Turkish Cypriot members of the socialist and labour movement such as Fazıl Önder or Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu could not have filled this void had they not been killed by the TMT.

[insan]

Insan, your comments about the left are a little wide of the mark, do you not think?

The number of seats won by the parties contesting the 1981 general election in the Turkish Cypriot Federated State were as follow:

UBP 19
DHP 11
TKP 7
CTP 2
HP 1

In other words, left-wing opposition parties won 21 of the 40 seats in the parliament. In fact, the Turkish ambassador stepped in and brokered a deal in which the CTP entered a coalition government with the UBP in return for receiving three ministries. This was two years before the TRNC was proclaimed.

All of this sits a little awkwardly with your claim that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots support right wing parties. In fact, as of this date the left, divided as it always has been, has performed well in every subsequent election in northern Cyprus.

As to your arguments about the absence of any left-wing leader of standing, one could perhaps ask if such leading Turkish Cypriot members of the socialist and labour movement such as Fazıl Önder or Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu could not have filled this void had they not been killed by the TMT.

DHP was not a left wing party. It was formed by a group left UBP.

[Tim Drayton]

Insan, your comments about the left are a little wide of the mark, do you not think?

The number of seats won by the parties contesting the 1981 general election in the Turkish Cypriot Federated State were as follow:

UBP 19
DHP 11
TKP 7
CTP 2
HP 1

In other words, left-wing opposition parties won 21 of the 40 seats in the parliament. In fact, the Turkish ambassador stepped in and brokered a deal in which the CTP entered a coalition government with the UBP in return for receiving three ministries. This was two years before the TRNC was proclaimed.

All of this sits a little awkwardly with your claim that the vast majority of Turkish Cypriots support right wing parties. In fact, as of this date the left, divided as it always has been, has performed well in every subsequent election in northern Cyprus.

As to your arguments about the absence of any left-wing leader of standing, one could perhaps ask if such leading Turkish Cypriot members of the socialist and labour movement such as Fazıl Önder or Derviş Ali Kavazoğlu could not have filled this void had they not been killed by the TMT.

DHP was not a left wing party. It was formed by a group left UBP.

According to Vikipedi:

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demokratik ... umhuriyeti)

Demokratik Halk Partisi (DHP), 1978'de Ulusal Birlik Partisi'nden ayrılan bir grup sosyal demokrat milletvekili tarafından kuruldu.

The Democratic People’s Party (DTP) was founded by a group of social democrat deputies who left the National Unity Party (UBP) in 1978.

Have they got this wrong, then?