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[Oracle]

Expatkiwi, do u think right wing TCs who r in vast majority in TRNC need any control by Turkey? In the last 35 years overwhelmingly right wing TC political parties were in power which support strong cooperation and collaboration with turkey.

In this context, why should Turkey attempt to control them and not respond their cooperation and colaboration requests? It's illogical!

However if u claim that various political parties in Turkey try to influence the goings-on and elections in TRNC(even everywhere they have interests)then I ask u which of the concerned parties don't try to influence the goings-on and elections when they think it is necessary because of their interests?

It just makes the declaration of the TRNC so unnecessary. The reason why I support TRNC's clain to independence is on the basis of self-determination, yet we have basically in the TRNC a government which controls squat.

Expat we must be thankful for small mercies, TCs could have been introduced to the inner workings of the mincing machine if Turkey did not arrive and Sampson remained in power. Let’s keep it in prospective shall we? We are alive are we not? Lets not get too greedy now?
Denize dushen yilana sarilir. Kindly ask your better half to explain it.

Expatkiwi ... Do you really have a Turkish (speaking) wife?

... Seems like your political leanings are not merely as an "impartial" observer!

[insan]

Expatkiwi, do u think right wing TCs who r in vast majority in TRNC need any control by Turkey? In the last 35 years overwhelmingly right wing TC political parties were in power which support strong cooperation and collaboration with turkey.

In this context, why should Turkey attempt to control them and not respond their cooperation and colaboration requests? It's illogical!

However if u claim that various political parties in Turkey try to influence the goings-on and elections in TRNC(even everywhere they have interests)then I ask u which of the concerned parties don't try to influence the goings-on and elections when they think it is necessary because of their interests?

It just makes the declaration of the TRNC so unnecessary. The reason why I support TRNC's clain to independence is on the basis of self-determination, yet we have basically in the TRNC a government which controls squat.

Although I have been mercilessly critisizing our incompetent politicans for not making strong and effective policies towards proving that there is really a seperate sovereign state in North of Cyprus; actually I'm expecting too much from an old generation of TCs(mostly right winged) who were badly wounded and hurt by the cold war, intercommunal violance and deprived from the right to a proper education and living conditions for many decades.

Most of our politicians r illiterate, self-seekers. Even most of the younger generation of politicians(mostly right winged) have no difference than their predecessors because they too r under heavy influence of their living ancestors...

[Expatkiwi]

Expatkiwi ... Do you really have a Turkish (speaking) wife?

... Seems like your political leanings are not merely as an "impartial" observer!

Oracle, I don't have a Turkish-speaking wife. And I like to think that I'm looking at things reasonably dispassionately (though you'd probably disagree on that)...

[Oracle]

Expatkiwi ... Do you really have a Turkish (speaking) wife?

... Seems like your political leanings are not merely as an "impartial" observer!

Oracle, I don't have a Turkish-speaking wife. And I like to think that I'm looking at things reasonably dispassionately (though you'd probably disagree on that)...

Then why did YFred say this to you ...

Denize dushen yilana sarilir. Kindly ask your better half to explain it.

Was he simply lying?

[YFred]

Expatkiwi ... Do you really have a Turkish (speaking) wife?

... Seems like your political leanings are not merely as an "impartial" observer!

Oracle, I don't have a Turkish-speaking wife. And I like to think that I'm looking at things reasonably dispassionately (though you'd probably disagree on that)...

Then why did YFred say this to you ...

Denize dushen yilana sarilir. Kindly ask your better half to explain it.

Was he simply lying?
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[Sotos]

The fact remains that by the bare fact of Turkey directly controlling institutions that by right should be controlled by the TRNC, Turkey is acting more of an occupation power than a protective power. As a lot of the TRNC citizens regard Turkey's presence as benign and required to assure security, Turkey's controlling of the institutions of power in what is supposed to be a sovereign state may be seen purely as a "necessary evil" given the state of siege that the TRNC finds itself in. Still, those citizens of the TRNC who believe in their nation's independence need to carefully ask themselves if the cost of the level of Turkish control is doing more harm than good, because at the current time, Turkey's rather heavy-handed military presence and their selective sidelining of the TRNC government is simply giving credence to the Greek Cypriot claim that the TRNC is nothing more than a puppet state, which could well be absorbed into Turkey at any time.

What difference does it make on which Turk rules the north part of Cyprus? All Turks are the same. Some of them are in Turkey, some of them are Settlers who Turkey send to Cyprus to take our land. None of them has any right to occupy our land because our land belongs to us not to any invading Turk.

[Get Real!]

Although I have been mercilessly critisizing our incompetent politicans for not making strong and effective policies towards proving that there is really a seperate sovereign state in North of Cyprus; actually I'm expecting too much from an old generation of TCs(mostly right winged) who were badly wounded and hurt by the cold war, intercommunal violance and deprived from the right to a proper education and living conditions for many decades.

You should listen to the old uneducated men you criticize...

"A sovereign state, commonly simply referred to as a state, is a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

[Sotos]

Although I have been mercilessly critisizing our incompetent politicans for not making strong and effective policies towards proving that there is really a seperate sovereign state in North of Cyprus; actually I'm expecting too much from an old generation of TCs(mostly right winged) who were badly wounded and hurt by the cold war, intercommunal violance and deprived from the right to a proper education and living conditions for many decades.

You should listen to the old uneducated men you criticize...

"A sovereign state, commonly simply referred to as a state, is a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

Maybe they should let Insan do the job. While he is at it he can also prove that the circle is square.

[insan]

Although I have been mercilessly critisizing our incompetent politicans for not making strong and effective policies towards proving that there is really a seperate sovereign state in North of Cyprus; actually I'm expecting too much from an old generation of TCs(mostly right winged) who were badly wounded and hurt by the cold war, intercommunal violance and deprived from the right to a proper education and living conditions for many decades.

You should listen to the old uneducated men you criticize...

"A sovereign state, commonly simply referred to as a state, is a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

From the same link u have given above...

Other states may have sovereignty over a territory but as they lack international recognition, are de facto states only.

... and from the same source u have used above....

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti, KKTC), commonly called Northern Cyprus or North Cyprus [4] (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs), is a de facto independent republic[5][6][7] located in the north of Cyprus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRNC

[Sotos]

Although I have been mercilessly critisizing our incompetent politicans for not making strong and effective policies towards proving that there is really a seperate sovereign state in North of Cyprus; actually I'm expecting too much from an old generation of TCs(mostly right winged) who were badly wounded and hurt by the cold war, intercommunal violance and deprived from the right to a proper education and living conditions for many decades.

You should listen to the old uneducated men you criticize...

"A sovereign state, commonly simply referred to as a state, is a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

From the same link u have given above...

Other states may have sovereignty over a territory but as they lack international recognition, are de facto states only.

... and from the same source u have used above....

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti, KKTC), commonly called Northern Cyprus or North Cyprus [4] (Turkish: Kuzey Kıbrıs), is a de facto independent republic[5][6][7] located in the north of Cyprus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRNC

de facto you illegally occupy north Cyprus. De jure it belongs to us and Republic of Cyprus. Tell us something we didn't know Everybody knows this. So what did you want your politicians to prove?