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Postby Oracle » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:17 pm

runaway wrote:The final formula should be in the interest of both the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots.

From Russia with love :lol: :lol: :lol:


Isn't this what Makarios tried to do? To find a formula which was" in the interests of BOTH the GCs and TCs"?

This "formula" presents NO problem for us. We are not asking for LESS for the TCs. We are asking for us, GCs, to have EQUAL human rights to the TCs. The TCs were given, previously, MORE than their proper rights. Then, the TCs took yet EVEN more than their proper rights!

Now the solution will give a democratic one-man-one-vote-one-right to BOTH GCs and TCs.

The advantage will NO LONGER be in disproportionate favour of TCs.

Not laughing now, runaway, are you? :lol:
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Postby insan » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:30 pm

Sotos wrote:This comes first:

Russia, as far as the Cyprus problem is concerned, is in favour of the implementation of the rules of international law and the rules of the UN Charter.


Of course Lavrov didn't think that the "interests" of criminals like the Turks are not compatible with international law. Just imagine how barbarians the Turks are. Their interests are the violation of international law, human rights violations, murders and ethnic cleansing! And then these uncivilized scum want to enter the EU? :lol:


R u sure that comes first? :lol: :lol:

Freedom House considered Russia partially free with scores of 5 on both political rights and civil liberties (1 being most free, 7 least free) in 2002-2004 and not free with 6 on political rights and 5 on civil liberties in 2005-2008 according to the Freedom in the World reports.[4] In 2006 The Economist published a democracy rating, putting Russia at 102nd place among 167 countries and defining it as a "hybrid regime with a trend towards curtailment of media and other civil liberties."[5] In 2009 Russia occupies 146th place of 179 countries in the Index of Economic Freedom, composed by Heritage Foundation.[6]

The European Court of Human Rights has become overwhelmed with cases from Russia. As of June 1, 2007, 22.5% of its pending cases were directed against the Russian Federation.[7] In 2006 there were 151 admissible applications against Russia (out of 1634 for all the countries), while in 2005 - 110 (of 1036), in 2004 - 64 (of 830), in 2003 - 15 (of 753), in 2002 - 12 (of 578).[8][9][10]

According to international human rights organizations as well as domestic press, violations of human rights in Russia[11] include widespread and systematic torture of persons in custody by police,[12][13] dedovshchina in Russian Army, neglect and cruelty in Russian orphanages,[14] violations of children's rights.[15] According to Amnesty International there is discrimination, racism, and murders of members of ethnic minorities.[16][17] Since 1992 at least 50 journalists have been killed across the country.[18]

The situation in the Russian republic of Chechnya, ravaged by war, has been especially worrying. During the Second Chechen War, started in September 1999, there were summary executions and "disappearances" of civilians in Chechnya.[19][20][21] According to the ombudsman of the Chechen Republic, Nurdi Nukhazhiyev, as of March 2007 the most complex and painful problem is finding over 2700 abducted and forcefully held citizens; analysis of the complaints of citizens of Chechnya shows that social problems ever more often come to the foreground; two years ago complaints mostly concerned violations of the right to life.[22]

The Federal Law of 10 January2006 changed the orders affecting registration and operation of nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) in Russia.[3][23][24] The Russian-Chechen Friendship Society was closed.[25]

There are cases of attacks on demonstrators organized by local authorities.[26] High concern was caused by murders of opposition lawmakers and journalists Anna Politkovskaya,[27] Yuri Schekochikhin,[28] Galina Starovoitova,[29] Sergei Yushenkov,[30] as well as imprisonments of human rights defenders, scientists, and journalists like Trepashkin,[31] Igor Sutyagin,[32] and Valentin Danilov.[33]



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Re: From Russia With Love ...

Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:51 pm

Oracle wrote:"The final formula should be in the interest of both the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots,"

In other words in the interest of CYPRIOTS, not Turkey or Greece!

But here comes the most important part...

...and the international community must play a facilitating role, it cannot impose any prescriptions or formulas, and it cannot impose artificial timeframes,” the Russian Foreign Minister said.

This is the bit that Turkish Cypriots should pay special attention to because it’s what I’ve been telling you (and proving with credible evidence) for years…

…that NOBODY can ever force the (1) recognition, (2) annexation, (3) Taiwanisation, or even (4) Cucumberisation, of Cyprus’ occupied territory!
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Postby Hermes » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:54 pm

Is that the sound of Turkey's grand strategy I hear crumbling to the ground?
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Re: From Russia With Love ...

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:00 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:"The final formula should be in the interest of both the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots,"

In other words in the interest of CYPRIOTS, not Turkey or Greece!

But here comes the most important part...

...and the international community must play a facilitating role, it cannot impose any prescriptions or formulas, and it cannot impose artificial timeframes,” the Russian Foreign Minister said.

This is the bit that Turkish Cypriots should pay special attention to because it’s what I’ve been telling you (and proving with credible evidence) for years…

…that NOBODY can ever force the (1) recognition, (2) annexation, (3) Taiwanisation, or even (4) Cucumberisation, of Cyprus’ occupied territory!


You are over estimating your international worth..when the big players are ready they will scarifice you for their own benefit...never say never.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:01 pm

Insan,

Sotos is too hate-filled to properly talk to. Its people like him who perpetuate the situation on the island.
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Re: From Russia With Love ...

Postby Hermes » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:02 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
You are over estimating your international worth..when the big players are ready they will scarifice you for their own benefit...never say never.


That is a Turkish Cypriot speaking without a trace of irony.
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Re: From Russia With Love ...

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:05 pm

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
You are over estimating your international worth..when the big players are ready they will scarifice you for their own benefit...never say never.


That is a Turkish Cypriot speaking without a trace of irony.


Our might is Turkeys support and understanding.
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Re: From Russia With Love ...

Postby insan » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:"The final formula should be in the interest of both the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots,"

In other words in the interest of CYPRIOTS, not Turkey or Greece!

But here comes the most important part...

...and the international community must play a facilitating role, it cannot impose any prescriptions or formulas, and it cannot impose artificial timeframes,” the Russian Foreign Minister said.

This is the bit that Turkish Cypriots should pay special attention to because it’s what I’ve been telling you (and proving with credible evidence) for years…

…that NOBODY can ever force the (1) recognition, (2) annexation, (3) Taiwanisation, or even (4) Cucumberisation, of Cyprus’ occupied territory!


... but they have some methods that can "democratically" force u to feel the need of voluntary acceptance at least some of the options u have put forth above... :wink:
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Re: From Russia With Love ...

Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:09 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:"The final formula should be in the interest of both the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots,"

In other words in the interest of CYPRIOTS, not Turkey or Greece!

But here comes the most important part...

...and the international community must play a facilitating role, it cannot impose any prescriptions or formulas, and it cannot impose artificial timeframes,” the Russian Foreign Minister said.

This is the bit that Turkish Cypriots should pay special attention to because it’s what I’ve been telling you (and proving with credible evidence) for years…

…that NOBODY can ever force the (1) recognition, (2) annexation, (3) Taiwanisation, or even (4) Cucumberisation, of Cyprus’ occupied territory!


You are over estimating your international worth..when the big players are ready they will scarifice you for their own benefit...never say never.

And you underestimate international law which thankfully LOCKS countries into behaving themselves or utter chaos would reign supreme!
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