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[SKI-preo]

"The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country."

The UDI has no legal basis in the case of Cyprus. I am not against UDIs per se but a UDI needs to meet certain criteria and are generally to be avoided where human rights are impinged. UDIs declared after mass ethnic cleansing are unprecedented and breaches of human rights treaties and the Geneva Convention .

ALso which constitution overtly and formerly states that "this is a racist constitution". The issue has not been test in a higher Court as the "trnc" constitution is illegal.

I have a legally recognized title deed in an all Greek town (Turks never actually lived there or surrounding villages) where every last Greek was ethnically cleansed or killed and we are not allowed to live in our town/village based on a single fact. We are not muslim/turkish. You do not consider that racist. There is no attempt by the Turkish Army to even conceal racism. Some people even consider that racism can be justified by some random acts of inter-communal violence in some far away part of Cyprus between 1957-1963.

[Expatkiwi]

"The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country."

The UDI has no legal basis in the case of Cyprus. I am not against UDIs per se but a UDI needs to meet certain criteria and are generally to be avoided where human rights are impinged. UDIs declared after mass ethnic cleansing are unprecedented and breaches of human rights treaties and the Geneva Convention .

ALso which constitution overtly and formerly states that "this is a racist constitution". The issue has not been test in a higher Court as the "trnc" constitution is illegal.

I have a legally recognized title deed in an all Greek town (Turks never actually lived there or surrounding villages) where every last Greek was ethnically cleansed or killed and we are not allowed to live in our town/village based on a single fact. We are not muslim/turkish. You do not consider that racist. There is no attempt by the Turkish Army to even conceal racism. Some people even consider that racism can be justified by some random acts of inter-communal violence in some far away part of Cyprus between 1957-1963.

Have you actually read the UDI text? And if you are as well up on the Cyprus Problem as you claim to be, then you will know that Turkish Cypriots were forced into enclaves because of Greek Cypriot zealots when the intercommunal violence of December 1963 began.

[Kikapu]

Partition will result in regional instability and war. Partition has never resulted in anything good- look at the mess India and Pakistan is in.

If the the NATO alliance recognize an apartheid TRNC the treaties creating the British Bases will be invalidated. Accordingly they require the status quo to be maintained or a treaty reestablishing the bases.

Indeed in the EU it would become meaningless. If An ethnically pure Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus apartheid state is shat out by partition it will soon be flooded by everyone under the sun including Greek Cypriots. How will the Turkish Apartheidist be able to deny democratic and voting rights to us then?

Anyone who wants partition is a racist and apartheidist.

The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country.

Says the man who lives in one of the worst racists states in the USA, but denies such racism exits there. Aside from that, Expat just like to delete comments from others quotes on the forum which implicates the north in having Racist policies.!

[Expatkiwi]

Partition will result in regional instability and war. Partition has never resulted in anything good- look at the mess India and Pakistan is in.

If the the NATO alliance recognize an apartheid TRNC the treaties creating the British Bases will be invalidated. Accordingly they require the status quo to be maintained or a treaty reestablishing the bases.

Indeed in the EU it would become meaningless. If An ethnically pure Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus apartheid state is shat out by partition it will soon be flooded by everyone under the sun including Greek Cypriots. How will the Turkish Apartheidist be able to deny democratic and voting rights to us then?

Anyone who wants partition is a racist and apartheidist.

The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country.

Says the man who lives in one of the worst racists states in the USA, but denies such racism exits there. Aside from that, Expat just like to delete comments from others quotes on the forum which implicates the north in having Racist policies.!

Well, sorry to dispel your illusions about Arkansas, but there are no slave auctions, no "whites only signs", no lynchings, and there are other things to do in this state apart from brewing moonshine and singing bluegrass, you moron...

[Kikapu]

The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country.

Says the man who lives in one of the worst racists states in the USA, but denies such racism exits there. Aside from that, Expat just like to delete comments from others quotes on the forum which implicates the north in having Racist policies.!

Well, sorry to dispel your illusions about Arkansas, but there are no slave auctions, no "whites only signs", no lynchings, and there are other things to do in this state apart from brewing moonshine and singing bluegrass, you moron...

Now that we know what defines as Racism to you in what you have listed above, it is no wonder you are so cavalier in your behaviour and thinking in your ordinary garden variety kinds of Racism and Human Rights violations, Expat. You dismiss such Human Rights violation as not being Racism at all, which only a Racist Fascist would think that way...! No wonder you do not see Racism in Arkansas or in the "trnc".!

[YFred]

Partition will result in regional instability and war. Partition has never resulted in anything good- look at the mess India and Pakistan is in.

If the the NATO alliance recognize an apartheid TRNC the treaties creating the British Bases will be invalidated. Accordingly they require the status quo to be maintained or a treaty reestablishing the bases.

Indeed in the EU it would become meaningless. If An ethnically pure Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus apartheid state is shat out by partition it will soon be flooded by everyone under the sun including Greek Cypriots. How will the Turkish Apartheidist be able to deny democratic and voting rights to us then?

Anyone who wants partition is a racist and apartheidist.

The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country.

Says the man who lives in one of the worst racists states in the USA, but denies such racism exits there. Aside from that, Expat just like to delete comments from others quotes on the forum which implicates the north in having Racist policies.!

Well, sorry to dispel your illusions about Arkansas, but there are no slave auctions, no "whites only signs", no lynchings, and there are other things to do in this state apart from brewing moonshine and singing bluegrass, you moron...

Have you been introduced to our forum hedge hog. Very prickly personality and will hound you to the end of the universe. Enjoy it. I did and I would like to thank you for attracting his attention which means he will leave me alone now. TFFT.

[Kikapu]

Partition will result in regional instability and war. Partition has never resulted in anything good- look at the mess India and Pakistan is in.

If the the NATO alliance recognize an apartheid TRNC the treaties creating the British Bases will be invalidated. Accordingly they require the status quo to be maintained or a treaty reestablishing the bases.

Indeed in the EU it would become meaningless. If An ethnically pure Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus apartheid state is shat out by partition it will soon be flooded by everyone under the sun including Greek Cypriots. How will the Turkish Apartheidist be able to deny democratic and voting rights to us then?

Anyone who wants partition is a racist and apartheidist.

The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country.

Says the man who lives in one of the worst racists states in the USA, but denies such racism exits there. Aside from that, Expat just like to delete comments from others quotes on the forum which implicates the north in having Racist policies.!

Well, sorry to dispel your illusions about Arkansas, but there are no slave auctions, no "whites only signs", no lynchings, and there are other things to do in this state apart from brewing moonshine and singing bluegrass, you moron...

Have you been introduced to our forum hedge hog. Very prickly personality and will hound you to the end of the universe. Enjoy it. I did and I would like to thank you for attracting his attention which means he will leave me alone now. TFFT.

In your dreams, Küçük.!

Listen, Küçük, why don't you ask Expat to explain to you how he has disgraced himself by being a Morally Corrupted person couple of years ago here on the forum.!

Here is a clue for you and him.............Wikipedia.!!

[Tim Drayton]

Bottom line though is that partition formalization will end the problem and lay open the door for reconciliation later on.

Perhaps yes, perhaps no. If you look at Greece and Turkey, they also tried to solve their problems through partition and exchange of populations, but even after a century they still have serious problems with each other and they even almost went into war in some occasions.

The best solution, which gives the best chances for reconciliation, is the reunification.

The problem though is that there is no agreement on how such reunification should go.

Forgive me if I have missed something, but I thought that was precisely why Talat and Christofias were meeting regularly nowadays.

[Tim Drayton]

Partition will result in regional instability and war. Partition has never resulted in anything good- look at the mess India and Pakistan is in.

If the the NATO alliance recognize an apartheid TRNC the treaties creating the British Bases will be invalidated. Accordingly they require the status quo to be maintained or a treaty reestablishing the bases.

Indeed in the EU it would become meaningless. If An ethnically pure Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus apartheid state is shat out by partition it will soon be flooded by everyone under the sun including Greek Cypriots. How will the Turkish Apartheidist be able to deny democratic and voting rights to us then?

Anyone who wants partition is a racist and apartheidist.

The UDI and the TRNC Constitution does not state that the TRNC is a racist country.

One example of a provision of the TRNC constitution that makes a distinction on racial grounds:

http://www.mahkemeler.net/cgi-bin/anayasa/anayasa.doc

Article 67 paragraph (2) of the TRNC Constitution

1960 Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti Kuruluş Andlaşmasına bağlı "D" Eki uyarınca Kıbrıs Cumhuriyeti yurttaşı olma hakkına sahip olup 15 Kasım 1983 tarihinde Kuzey Kıbrıs'ta yerleşik olmayan Türk asıllı Kıbrıslı'ların, Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşlığını kazanma hakları saklıdır.

The right of Cypriots of Turkish origin who possess the right to be citizens of the Republic of Cyprus pursuant to Annex “D” to the 1960 Republic of Cyprus Treaty of Establishment and who were not domiciled in North Cyprus on 15 November 1983 to acquire Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus citizenship shall be reserved.

[My emphasis]

[-mikkie2-]

And during the days of the Annan plan, the tc state had such racist provisions in its constitution! And they claim that the plan was with the blessings of the EU.

The first thing that would have happened if the plan had been accepted is that much of its many provisions would have been under severe scrutiny by EU institutions and much of it would have been challenged in EU courts by discruntled citizens.

That is why the current negotiations leading to solution must fit within the EU priciples and acquis.