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[Sotos]

Greeks and Turks are not Cypriots, so there’s no need for you two to argue!

So why do overwhelming majority of Cypriots consider themselves either as descendants of Greeks or Turks? R they all stupid and u r the only wise one?

The overwhelming majority of Cypriots consider themselves descendants of Greeks. Those that consider themselves descendants of Turks are just a small minority.

[Me Ed]

So Insan, as a TC is your allegiance, first with the Cypriots or the Turkics?

My allegiance is first with Turkish Cypriots then with Turkics... There's no Cypriot nation to be in allegiance. Cypriots mainly consider themselves as descendants of 2 nations; namely Greek and Turk. This is a fact!

Another fact is that our troublesome common history! So stop telling us the same fake story that we r a Cypriot nation!

Therefore correct me if I am wrong on your thought processes?

The Turkish ideal.

Phase 1: Remove the GCs - yes
Phase 2: Remove the majority of TCs - not happy but a fact in northern Cyprus
Phase 3: Assimilate the remaining minority TC through settlers - we TCs are maintaining our identity!

So far so good:

Phase 4: Partition under TC rule - my dream
Phase 5: Establish rule under a settler Turk - inevatable under a democracy, but us muslims pretend not to understand this concept thoughout the world - most noatably in Iraq and Afghanistan where the evil west is enforcing this on us.
Phase 6: Annexation - would rather not have it, but the Turks are our bothers so its OK.
Phase 7: Eradication of the TC identity - bye bye world.

So ultimately your better off going back to Turkey - my dream because the end result is the same for the dying TC identity.

It will probably be left to the GCs to maintain what is left of the TC once the above has happened.

[repulsewarrior]

...don't mind me, i was just a village dweller, happy to be one even when we were identifed as "mixed".

partition is no solution at all...it allows the interlocutors to continue their proxy war at our expense. it will leave us exposed to more violence and to the agenda of the extremists that still live amongst us. it dismisses a Heritance that is far older than either of the prominent cultures, and it allows Intolerance to fester, polluting any chance for a betterment of the condition called Human. If one wants to be Greek or Turkish that is a matter of choice, what can be said of Cypriots is for the most part they are Grecophone or Turcophone.

cheers.

[Me Ed]

Greeks and Turks are not Cypriots, so there’s no need for you two to argue!

GR wether you like it or not, your blood has been diluted to the extent that you are probably 99% Cypriot, unless of course your family is entirely inbred.

However, you appear far too intelligent to be inbred.

[Expatkiwi]

your thoughts?

From a pragmatist's point of view, partition is the only realistic answer PROVIDING safeguards preserving the independence of both countries are in place, otherwise certain countries will gobble the seperate pieces up.

Partition already exists so did you mean “recognition” of the occupied territory of an EU & UN member? I hope not, because you’ll have serious problems convincing me of your ”realism” and “pragmatism”!

Second, you mention "two countries" but had you been a pragmatist or a realist you would've known that there's only one!

Expat, you have every right to post your wishful thinking but don’t kid yourself that you’re a “pragmatist” or “realist”!

GR, you seem to have all the answers, so what do you classify me as, if not as a pragmatist? Just curious.

[Nikitas]

"From a pragmatist's point of view, partition is the only realistic answer PROVIDING safeguards......."

Thanks for proving that partition is not at all pragmatic nor a solution, otherwise there would be no need for that PROVIDING overrider you posted.

Turkey will always be the asshole of the area, inventing new rules wherever and whenever it suits its desires. Like that amazing invention that islands do not have their own continental shelf but they lie on the shelf of adjoining continental states. A funny notion that would deprive Britain of its continental shelf and give it all to France.

[Expatkiwi]

"From a pragmatist's point of view, partition is the only realistic answer PROVIDING safeguards......."

Thanks for proving that partition is not at all pragmatic nor a solution, otherwise there would be no need for that PROVIDING overrider you posted.

Turkey will always be the asshole of the area, inventing new rules wherever and whenever it suits its desires. Like that amazing invention that islands do not have their own continental shelf but they lie on the shelf of adjoining continental states. A funny notion that would deprive Britain of its continental shelf and give it all to France.

Nikitas,

I don't buy the continental shelf claim justifications, so you don't need to raise the point with me. Also, I do not support annexation of any part of the island by any other country. I just think reconciliation is impossible, so negotiate a fair seperation, like like what the Czechs and Slovaks did.

[Get Real!]

your thoughts?

From a pragmatist's point of view, partition is the only realistic answer PROVIDING safeguards preserving the independence of both countries are in place, otherwise certain countries will gobble the seperate pieces up.

Partition already exists so did you mean “recognition” of the occupied territory of an EU & UN member? I hope not, because you’ll have serious problems convincing me of your ”realism” and “pragmatism”!

Second, you mention "two countries" but had you been a pragmatist or a realist you would've known that there's only one!

Expat, you have every right to post your wishful thinking but don’t kid yourself that you’re a “pragmatist” or “realist”!

GR, you seem to have all the answers, so what do you classify me as, if not as a pragmatist? Just curious.

A sentimental wishful thinker with a rather sad outlook on international law, but I do expect that from someone from the US because after all Americans are the biggest abusers of human rights and the most prolific transgressors of international law.

[Expatkiwi]

A sentimental wishful thinker with a rather sad outlook on international law, but I do expect that from someone from the US because after all Americans are the biggest abusers of human rights and the most prolific transgressors of international law.

Hey, the United States is the bastion of democracy and human rights in the world. The home of Ma's Apple Pie and Napalm!

[B25]

your thoughts?

From a pragmatist's point of view, partition is the only realistic answer PROVIDING safeguards preserving the independence of both countries are in place, otherwise certain countries will gobble the seperate pieces up.

Partition already exists so did you mean “recognition” of the occupied territory of an EU & UN member? I hope not, because you’ll have serious problems convincing me of your ”realism” and “pragmatism”!

Second, you mention "two countries" but had you been a pragmatist or a realist you would've known that there's only one!

Expat, you have every right to post your wishful thinking but don’t kid yourself that you’re a “pragmatist” or “realist”!

GR, you seem to have all the answers, so what do you classify me as, if not as a pragmatist? Just curious.

A sentimental wishful thinker with a rather sad outlook on international law, but I do expect that from someone from the US because after all Americans are the biggest abusers of human rights and the most prolific transgressors of international law.

Hey GR, reh you are talking to the Turk wife here, the ex kiwi is just a cover, comes and goes, but the wife is wearing the trousers here.