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[YFred]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

Well said Insan, nepotism, political favours, everywhere (inc RoC) must be sought out and condemned.

Take to the streets of the Occupied North mate and condemn this shitey system which in many cases rewards Illegals with the best jobs and houses and where the regimes reward themselves with grants of land.

I have been mercilessly critisizing them on every opportunity I got; especially with my comments on internet editions of newspapers. Recently 2 hopeful initiatives were established against the corrupt political and social system of TRNC.

One was established by TC Youth and other was established by some idealist advocates and lawyers.

Hope we will be able to get rid of this corrupt political and social system which kill all kinds of development of TC community.

Fair enough mate. All respect to you for your stand.

What about a lot these Settlers? Let me tell you a story.

A close relation has a very nice house with loads of land around it in a village in the Karpas. Built in the '60s from reinforced concrete. Trust me, have sen it, brill house. For a few years after '74 a tissy family moved in. Fair enough, people have to live somewhere and it works both ways.

For the last few years however a Settler Family has moved in. What did they do to get one of the best houses in the village? The tissies on the rest of the village struggle to get by in the old straw walled houses.

Is it not possible the new family bought it? I have not heard of anybody having their house being taken away from them.

[bill cobbett]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

Well said Insan, nepotism, political favours, everywhere (inc RoC) must be sought out and condemned.

Take to the streets of the Occupied North mate and condemn this shitey system which in many cases rewards Illegals with the best jobs and houses and where the regimes reward themselves with grants of land.

I have been mercilessly critisizing them on every opportunity I got; especially with my comments on internet editions of newspapers. Recently 2 hopeful initiatives were established against the corrupt political and social system of TRNC.

One was established by TC Youth and other was established by some idealist advocates and lawyers.

Hope we will be able to get rid of this corrupt political and social system which kill all kinds of development of TC community.

Fair enough mate. All respect to you for your stand.

What about a lot these Settlers? Let me tell you a story.

A close relation has a very nice house with loads of land around it in a village in the Karpas. Built in the '60s from reinforced concrete. Trust me, have sen it, brill house. For a few years after '74 a tissy family moved in. Fair enough, people have to live somewhere and it works both ways.

For the last few years however a Settler Family has moved in. What did they do to get one of the best houses in the village? The tissies on the rest of the village struggle to get by in the old straw walled houses.

Is it not possible the new family bought it? I have not heard of anybody having their house being taken away from them.

Don't think it would have been taken away from the tissies mate. The tissy man of the house was the Head of Police for the district.

[insan]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

Well said Insan, nepotism, political favours, everywhere (inc RoC) must be sought out and condemned.

Take to the streets of the Occupied North mate and condemn this shitey system which in many cases rewards Illegals with the best jobs and houses and where the regimes reward themselves with grants of land.

I have been mercilessly critisizing them on every opportunity I got; especially with my comments on internet editions of newspapers. Recently 2 hopeful initiatives were established against the corrupt political and social system of TRNC.

One was established by TC Youth and other was established by some idealist advocates and lawyers.

Hope we will be able to get rid of this corrupt political and social system which kill all kinds of development of TC community.

Fair enough mate. All respect to you for your stand.

What about a lot these Settlers? Let me tell you a story.

A close relation has a very nice house with loads of land around it in a village in the Karpas. Built in the '60s from reinforced concrete. Trust me, have sen it, brill house. For a few years after '74 a tissy family moved in. Fair enough, people have to live somewhere and it works both ways.

For the last few years however a Settler Family has moved in. What did they do to get one of the best houses in the village? The tissies on the rest of the village struggle to get by in the old straw walled houses.

Well mate... I previously stated my opinion that allowing so much settlers to come in North and distributing them the houses and properties that belonged to GCs was a wrong policy. However I don't believe this was done for political purposes or changing the demographics of Cyprus because those years were when TC nationalist notions were at max because of intercommunal conflict. Denktash didn't need Turks from Turkey to stay in power.

My guess is, it was a dummy retaliation against GC leadership which was believed to cause intercommunal conflict and emigration of TCs both pre-1960 and afterwards 1960 until 1974.

Another reason well might be the right wing nationalist philosophy which Denktash mentioned it as "both the one emigrates and migrates r Turks."

Indeed, in the begining of settlers settlement in North there were almost no problems among adult settlers and adult TCs. There were some troubles among settler kids and TC kids in rural areas. We didn't like them and they didn't like us... resons? Childish of course...

Anyway... what I would wish... then the TC leadership and the ones in power initiate patriotic movement and call back all the TCs who one way or another emigrated. They didn't do this... if they had done this and not many TCs returned then I would not critisize them allowing settlers to settle down Cyprus because one way or another our population should be balanced with migration against TC emigration.

The worst is our incompetent, greedy, corrupt, illiterate leadership couldn't even manage to establish a fair governance system and besides the oppression of isolations they too oppressed TCs and push many of them to emigrate. Now I'm asking to myself, what's the difference of GC leadership from our leadership?

The only difference is there's no armed struggle and we don't kill each other but the corrupt political and social system kill people's personality, talents, development in all fields.

I'm talking on behalf of myself; my struggle is both against GC leadership who desire a muslim TC minority and TC leadership who only care abt their self-interests.

What abt Turkey? Many of the forner Turkish governments had bigger problems than Cyprus problem and until 2000s political affairs of Turkey were not stable. Mate, is there a country in the world that changed 60 governments in 86 years? How could such a Turkey seriously focus on Cyprus problem and sove it in a short time?

What I'm trying to say is that Turkey has a little to do with the corrupt political and social system established in TRNC. However some political groups of Turkey both officially and unofficially contributed the corruption of system in North but main responsibles r our incompetent self-seeker right wingers; besides weak and incompetent left wing opposition too.

In this corrupt system, anything unfair is possible as u have given an example in ur last post...

Our incompetent, self-seeker leadership always acted as if 2 wrongs make one correct but no! It's impossible!

There r some hopeful movements lately... though in a location that is geo-strategically important, I think we have a little chance of getting out of all the troubles potentially possible to come in front of us.

From Hittites until recently our region is still a very hot spot. All we can do is struggling for a better life standards and improvements in our environment but not by means of nepotism and dirty partisan relations...

[bill cobbett]

Reh Insan, nothing is impossible, nothing is insolvable and sometimes change cannot be predicted even by the wisest of us. Corruption and Illegalities are always unstable cos they cause a resentment and consequent reaction amongst the People. What seem to be solid, unshakeable, unchangeable Regimes contain the seeds of their ultimate destruction.

Look at the fall of the Berlin Wall reh ... 20 years ago .. could anyone have foreseen six months earlier how quickly that house of cards would fall?

[insan]

True, reh Bill; everything is possible but when we take into consideration the facts and on-going developments it is not hard to predict the highly possible to occure things in near future both locally, regionally and internationally...

I know it would be very good for all of us to return our ancestral lands and properties in a reunited Cyprus based on "political equality" as it was defined in UN resolutions, no bi-zonality with a sincere guarantorship of Turkey, Greece and UK... For a sole purpose of protecting Cypriots both against internal but especially external threats... but not abusing and let abused the geo-startegic means of Cyprus to exploitation of the natural resources of those well known regions by greedy, capitalist westerners... I mean huge capital owners of west who r behind the globalization policies and have strong desires to control all the natural resources of the world... for their gredy empire members of course...

Had there been no conflicts which was fed from our problematic historical background; between TCs and GCs besides Turks and Greeks we would have benefited a lot from regionalism...

Dreams... dreams... dreams... yes, nothing is impossible but what I dream is not the one highly probable to happen...

[Murataga]

On Erdal Guven’s book on Talat by the Turkish Cypriot papers

Many Turkish Cypriot newspapers report today (03.11.09) about a recently released book titled “Adam, Talat’in Kibrisi” (My Island, Talat’s Cyprus). The book consists of interviews between Talat and the Radikal daily’s newsroom director Erdal Guven, and focuses on the details of Talat’s personal life from his childhood to his marriage and his political career.

Under the title “I cried when the TRNC was established” , Afrika publishes the part of the book in which Talat refers to the establishment of the occupation regime on 15th November 1983: “Discussions were going on with great intensity. The Republican Turkish Party (CTP) frequently published declarations that a separate state is partition, saying no to the division of the island and a separate state. On the night of November 14, the CTP Party Council convened. Before the council’s meeting, Rauf Denktas said: ‘We will declare the establishment of the TRNC tomorrow. Any party that goes against this will be shut down’. We discussed this until 5 in the morning. In the end we held the voting. The decision that came up with 14 to 13 votes, was to support the decision to back the declaration. I, naturally, voted “No” given the circumstances of the day. What’s more, I did all I could so there wouldn’t be a yes vote in the end. I cried when I got home that night, for the first time in my life. I cried because I couldn’t believe how the CTP could do this. What got to me most was the inconsistency we showed. We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.”

Talat went on and said the following:
“Declaring the KKTC’s establishment was the most wrong thing to do. It was obvious in the international atmosphere of the day that it would backfire against the Turkish side. Because there was the Cyprus Turkish Federal State. The Turkish side, with nationalistic enthusiasm, took a decision that caused it to cut the limb it was standing on. This placed the Cypriot Turks in a difficult position, plus Turkey had to face harsh pressure in the world. It was an uncalculated move, it was not rational.”

He also said, “Coming to our day, the Cypriot Turks want a settlement; they want the EU; that’s why they have chosen me. Let’s imagine now that the TRNC is recognized by the entire world. You can’t have a division as in the old times. What you can have is a federation. A federation that is not established by the signatures of two communities, but by two states. This wouldn’t change the outcome. Wouldn’t we be much more comfortable setting up that federation? We would be. The ultimate result will not be any different from the one we are targeting. We will still have a federal Cyprus.”

Mr Talat went on and added that if there was not for the Turkish ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), he could not have become “president”. “If the AKP had not changed Turkey’s policy, neither would I have sat in this chair, nor would the Annan Plan be submitted to voting, leave aside to be accepted. Think that in the year 2000 I participated in the election and I received 10%. Five years later I gathered the 56% of the votes”, he stated.

GUNES reports on the same issue under the title “Shame! What kind of president is this?” and writes that Talat says in Erdal Guven’s book that when the occupation regime was established, he was so sad he cried for the first time in his life.

VOLKAN also refers to the issue in its first page noting that Talat stated that he was against the establishment of the “TRNC”.

HALKIN SESI reports on the same issue under the title “Talat: When the CTP said yes to the TRNC I cried”.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

Than he should feel free to resign anytime from the leadership of an institution whose establishment he despises so much yet still voluntarily and ambitiously occupies.

[Paphitis]

On Erdal Guven’s book on Talat by the Turkish Cypriot papers

Many Turkish Cypriot newspapers report today (03.11.09) about a recently released book titled “Adam, Talat’in Kibrisi” (My Island, Talat’s Cyprus). The book consists of interviews between Talat and the Radikal daily’s newsroom director Erdal Guven, and focuses on the details of Talat’s personal life from his childhood to his marriage and his political career.

Under the title “I cried when the TRNC was established” , Afrika publishes the part of the book in which Talat refers to the establishment of the occupation regime on 15th November 1983: “Discussions were going on with great intensity. The Republican Turkish Party (CTP) frequently published declarations that a separate state is partition, saying no to the division of the island and a separate state. On the night of November 14, the CTP Party Council convened. Before the council’s meeting, Rauf Denktas said: ‘We will declare the establishment of the TRNC tomorrow. Any party that goes against this will be shut down’. We discussed this until 5 in the morning. In the end we held the voting. The decision that came up with 14 to 13 votes, was to support the decision to back the declaration. I, naturally, voted “No” given the circumstances of the day. What’s more, I did all I could so there wouldn’t be a yes vote in the end. I cried when I got home that night, for the first time in my life. I cried because I couldn’t believe how the CTP could do this. What got to me most was the inconsistency we showed. We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.”

Talat went on and said the following:
“Declaring the KKTC’s establishment was the most wrong thing to do. It was obvious in the international atmosphere of the day that it would backfire against the Turkish side. Because there was the Cyprus Turkish Federal State. The Turkish side, with nationalistic enthusiasm, took a decision that caused it to cut the limb it was standing on. This placed the Cypriot Turks in a difficult position, plus Turkey had to face harsh pressure in the world. It was an uncalculated move, it was not rational.”

He also said, “Coming to our day, the Cypriot Turks want a settlement; they want the EU; that’s why they have chosen me. Let’s imagine now that the TRNC is recognized by the entire world. You can’t have a division as in the old times. What you can have is a federation. A federation that is not established by the signatures of two communities, but by two states. This wouldn’t change the outcome. Wouldn’t we be much more comfortable setting up that federation? We would be. The ultimate result will not be any different from the one we are targeting. We will still have a federal Cyprus.”

Mr Talat went on and added that if there was not for the Turkish ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), he could not have become “president”. “If the AKP had not changed Turkey’s policy, neither would I have sat in this chair, nor would the Annan Plan be submitted to voting, leave aside to be accepted. Think that in the year 2000 I participated in the election and I received 10%. Five years later I gathered the 56% of the votes”, he stated.

GUNES reports on the same issue under the title “Shame! What kind of president is this?” and writes that Talat says in Erdal Guven’s book that when the occupation regime was established, he was so sad he cried for the first time in his life.

VOLKAN also refers to the issue in its first page noting that Talat stated that he was against the establishment of the “TRNC”.

HALKIN SESI reports on the same issue under the title “Talat: When the CTP said yes to the TRNC I cried”.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

Than he should feel free to resign anytime from the leadership of an institution whose establishment he despises so much yet still voluntarily and ambitiously occupies.

I think you will find that there are many GCs looking forward to Talat being deposed by Eroglu as leader of the illegal "trnc" regime, so that our mission is accomplished sooner rather than later...

[YFred]

On Erdal Guven’s book on Talat by the Turkish Cypriot papers

Many Turkish Cypriot newspapers report today (03.11.09) about a recently released book titled “Adam, Talat’in Kibrisi” (My Island, Talat’s Cyprus). The book consists of interviews between Talat and the Radikal daily’s newsroom director Erdal Guven, and focuses on the details of Talat’s personal life from his childhood to his marriage and his political career.

Under the title “I cried when the TRNC was established” , Afrika publishes the part of the book in which Talat refers to the establishment of the occupation regime on 15th November 1983: “Discussions were going on with great intensity. The Republican Turkish Party (CTP) frequently published declarations that a separate state is partition, saying no to the division of the island and a separate state. On the night of November 14, the CTP Party Council convened. Before the council’s meeting, Rauf Denktas said: ‘We will declare the establishment of the TRNC tomorrow. Any party that goes against this will be shut down’. We discussed this until 5 in the morning. In the end we held the voting. The decision that came up with 14 to 13 votes, was to support the decision to back the declaration. I, naturally, voted “No” given the circumstances of the day. What’s more, I did all I could so there wouldn’t be a yes vote in the end. I cried when I got home that night, for the first time in my life. I cried because I couldn’t believe how the CTP could do this. What got to me most was the inconsistency we showed. We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.”

Talat went on and said the following:
“Declaring the KKTC’s establishment was the most wrong thing to do. It was obvious in the international atmosphere of the day that it would backfire against the Turkish side. Because there was the Cyprus Turkish Federal State. The Turkish side, with nationalistic enthusiasm, took a decision that caused it to cut the limb it was standing on. This placed the Cypriot Turks in a difficult position, plus Turkey had to face harsh pressure in the world. It was an uncalculated move, it was not rational.”

He also said, “Coming to our day, the Cypriot Turks want a settlement; they want the EU; that’s why they have chosen me. Let’s imagine now that the TRNC is recognized by the entire world. You can’t have a division as in the old times. What you can have is a federation. A federation that is not established by the signatures of two communities, but by two states. This wouldn’t change the outcome. Wouldn’t we be much more comfortable setting up that federation? We would be. The ultimate result will not be any different from the one we are targeting. We will still have a federal Cyprus.”

Mr Talat went on and added that if there was not for the Turkish ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), he could not have become “president”. “If the AKP had not changed Turkey’s policy, neither would I have sat in this chair, nor would the Annan Plan be submitted to voting, leave aside to be accepted. Think that in the year 2000 I participated in the election and I received 10%. Five years later I gathered the 56% of the votes”, he stated.

GUNES reports on the same issue under the title “Shame! What kind of president is this?” and writes that Talat says in Erdal Guven’s book that when the occupation regime was established, he was so sad he cried for the first time in his life.

VOLKAN also refers to the issue in its first page noting that Talat stated that he was against the establishment of the “TRNC”.

HALKIN SESI reports on the same issue under the title “Talat: When the CTP said yes to the TRNC I cried”.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

Than he should feel free to resign anytime from the leadership of an institution whose establishment he despises so much yet still voluntarily and ambitiously occupies.

I think you will find that there are many GCs looking forward to Talat being deposed by Eroglu as leader of the illegal "trnc" regime, so that our mission is accomplished sooner rather than later...

I see said the blind man. So the GCs prefer as President, someone who actually was there at the begining of the troubles, had a hand in the division, and distributed the GC lands to his friends.

Interesting concept, so you will be able to negotiate with him better than Talat.

Good luck to you old chap.

[Paphitis]

On Erdal Guven’s book on Talat by the Turkish Cypriot papers

Many Turkish Cypriot newspapers report today (03.11.09) about a recently released book titled “Adam, Talat’in Kibrisi” (My Island, Talat’s Cyprus). The book consists of interviews between Talat and the Radikal daily’s newsroom director Erdal Guven, and focuses on the details of Talat’s personal life from his childhood to his marriage and his political career.

Under the title “I cried when the TRNC was established” , Afrika publishes the part of the book in which Talat refers to the establishment of the occupation regime on 15th November 1983: “Discussions were going on with great intensity. The Republican Turkish Party (CTP) frequently published declarations that a separate state is partition, saying no to the division of the island and a separate state. On the night of November 14, the CTP Party Council convened. Before the council’s meeting, Rauf Denktas said: ‘We will declare the establishment of the TRNC tomorrow. Any party that goes against this will be shut down’. We discussed this until 5 in the morning. In the end we held the voting. The decision that came up with 14 to 13 votes, was to support the decision to back the declaration. I, naturally, voted “No” given the circumstances of the day. What’s more, I did all I could so there wouldn’t be a yes vote in the end. I cried when I got home that night, for the first time in my life. I cried because I couldn’t believe how the CTP could do this. What got to me most was the inconsistency we showed. We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.”

Talat went on and said the following:
“Declaring the KKTC’s establishment was the most wrong thing to do. It was obvious in the international atmosphere of the day that it would backfire against the Turkish side. Because there was the Cyprus Turkish Federal State. The Turkish side, with nationalistic enthusiasm, took a decision that caused it to cut the limb it was standing on. This placed the Cypriot Turks in a difficult position, plus Turkey had to face harsh pressure in the world. It was an uncalculated move, it was not rational.”

He also said, “Coming to our day, the Cypriot Turks want a settlement; they want the EU; that’s why they have chosen me. Let’s imagine now that the TRNC is recognized by the entire world. You can’t have a division as in the old times. What you can have is a federation. A federation that is not established by the signatures of two communities, but by two states. This wouldn’t change the outcome. Wouldn’t we be much more comfortable setting up that federation? We would be. The ultimate result will not be any different from the one we are targeting. We will still have a federal Cyprus.”

Mr Talat went on and added that if there was not for the Turkish ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), he could not have become “president”. “If the AKP had not changed Turkey’s policy, neither would I have sat in this chair, nor would the Annan Plan be submitted to voting, leave aside to be accepted. Think that in the year 2000 I participated in the election and I received 10%. Five years later I gathered the 56% of the votes”, he stated.

GUNES reports on the same issue under the title “Shame! What kind of president is this?” and writes that Talat says in Erdal Guven’s book that when the occupation regime was established, he was so sad he cried for the first time in his life.

VOLKAN also refers to the issue in its first page noting that Talat stated that he was against the establishment of the “TRNC”.

HALKIN SESI reports on the same issue under the title “Talat: When the CTP said yes to the TRNC I cried”.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

Than he should feel free to resign anytime from the leadership of an institution whose establishment he despises so much yet still voluntarily and ambitiously occupies.

I think you will find that there are many GCs looking forward to Talat being deposed by Eroglu as leader of the illegal "trnc" regime, so that our mission is accomplished sooner rather than later...

I see said the blind man. So the GCs prefer as President, someone who actually was there at the begining of the troubles, had a hand in the division, and distributed the GC lands to his friends.

Interesting concept, so you will be able to negotiate with him better than Talat.

Good luck to you old chap.

When are you going to understand that we don't see any difference between Talat and Eroglu.

At least with Eroglu, it will be easy for us to lay the blame on you recalcitrant Turks!

The pieces are starting to fall in place...

[insan]

On Erdal Guven’s book on Talat by the Turkish Cypriot papers

Many Turkish Cypriot newspapers report today (03.11.09) about a recently released book titled “Adam, Talat’in Kibrisi” (My Island, Talat’s Cyprus). The book consists of interviews between Talat and the Radikal daily’s newsroom director Erdal Guven, and focuses on the details of Talat’s personal life from his childhood to his marriage and his political career.

Under the title “I cried when the TRNC was established” , Afrika publishes the part of the book in which Talat refers to the establishment of the occupation regime on 15th November 1983: “Discussions were going on with great intensity. The Republican Turkish Party (CTP) frequently published declarations that a separate state is partition, saying no to the division of the island and a separate state. On the night of November 14, the CTP Party Council convened. Before the council’s meeting, Rauf Denktas said: ‘We will declare the establishment of the TRNC tomorrow. Any party that goes against this will be shut down’. We discussed this until 5 in the morning. In the end we held the voting. The decision that came up with 14 to 13 votes, was to support the decision to back the declaration. I, naturally, voted “No” given the circumstances of the day. What’s more, I did all I could so there wouldn’t be a yes vote in the end. I cried when I got home that night, for the first time in my life. I cried because I couldn’t believe how the CTP could do this. What got to me most was the inconsistency we showed. We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.”

Talat went on and said the following:
“Declaring the KKTC’s establishment was the most wrong thing to do. It was obvious in the international atmosphere of the day that it would backfire against the Turkish side. Because there was the Cyprus Turkish Federal State. The Turkish side, with nationalistic enthusiasm, took a decision that caused it to cut the limb it was standing on. This placed the Cypriot Turks in a difficult position, plus Turkey had to face harsh pressure in the world. It was an uncalculated move, it was not rational.”

He also said, “Coming to our day, the Cypriot Turks want a settlement; they want the EU; that’s why they have chosen me. Let’s imagine now that the TRNC is recognized by the entire world. You can’t have a division as in the old times. What you can have is a federation. A federation that is not established by the signatures of two communities, but by two states. This wouldn’t change the outcome. Wouldn’t we be much more comfortable setting up that federation? We would be. The ultimate result will not be any different from the one we are targeting. We will still have a federal Cyprus.”

Mr Talat went on and added that if there was not for the Turkish ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), he could not have become “president”. “If the AKP had not changed Turkey’s policy, neither would I have sat in this chair, nor would the Annan Plan be submitted to voting, leave aside to be accepted. Think that in the year 2000 I participated in the election and I received 10%. Five years later I gathered the 56% of the votes”, he stated.

GUNES reports on the same issue under the title “Shame! What kind of president is this?” and writes that Talat says in Erdal Guven’s book that when the occupation regime was established, he was so sad he cried for the first time in his life.

VOLKAN also refers to the issue in its first page noting that Talat stated that he was against the establishment of the “TRNC”.

HALKIN SESI reports on the same issue under the title “Talat: When the CTP said yes to the TRNC I cried”.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

Than he should feel free to resign anytime from the leadership of an institution whose establishment he despises so much yet still voluntarily and ambitiously occupies.

I think you will find that there are many GCs looking forward to Talat being deposed by Eroglu as leader of the illegal "trnc" regime, so that our mission is accomplished sooner rather than later...

I see said the blind man. So the GCs prefer as President, someone who actually was there at the begining of the troubles, had a hand in the division, and distributed the GC lands to his friends.

Interesting concept, so you will be able to negotiate with him better than Talat.

Good luck to you old chap.

When are you going to understand that we don't see any difference between Talat and Eroglu.

At least with Eroglu, it will be easy for us to lay the blame on you recalcitrant Turks!

The p; pieces are starting to fall in place...

Like in 1955, 1960, 1963, 1968, 1974, 1983, 2004?