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[bill cobbett]

Is that Nasredin Hoca's violin?

No My friend...since Talat is in a crying mode i thought i'll get the violin out to company him..


Joke aside...game over for Talat...Dark forces have pulled his rope with this one.

Turkey's Radikal newspaper has been pushing this story very hard. You don't think that they could be trying to promote a new approach towards Cyprus in Turkey?

Nope...

Talat has been crucified in today's Turkish Cypriot press, that is for sure.

That's nothing compared to what they will do to him next election time.

Iceman. may I presume that you support UBP or TKP or are you one of those apolitical right wingers, cause you seem to take pleasure in the fate of our Muhtar. At least he can retire and say I did try. Where’s the previous leaders on both sides did not even try.

Fred.
I am neither UBP or TKP supporter.All my life i voted for CTP thinking they will make a difference if ever they came to power but they have disappointed me.
I promised not to ever vote again..Besides there are so many settler votes in north Cyprus now that even if all the proper TC's decided to go vote for one party they will still loose to Ankara's choice.

I know Talat personally...I used to believe in him big time,but since he got elected and made a few trips to Ankara he has become a different man..he is no longer the man i know..
If you think he is trying to make a peace with anyone you are more naive than i thought.

Iceman, who is being neive, of course Talat could only negotiate within certain parameters. How can Talat ignore Turkey? If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way. When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them. Ankara controls the MPs that are elected because she can, she pays the wages. If Muhtar X had any sense, he would release the suffocation and take the mantle of supporting the TCs financially till they can support themselves, and then we'll see if Talat can stand up to the Turks. How could Turkey refuse such a suggestion and not lose total credibility. The real disappointment has been Muhtar X. It turns out a shepherd from Lurucina could have done a better job.

It takes brains not brawn to defeat a bully especially when one is as weak as Cyprus militarily.

Reh Freddie,

How many thousands of tissies cross for work now? How many for free and priority health care, how many for Proper Passports so they can travel the EU freely.

You've been reminded time and time again about this. Pres X loves his tissy comrades and is helping them out financially and in other very real ways.

Now stop being a CY Pachiderm.

Put your thinking head on and consider who would pay for the Civil Service once Talat turns his back on Turkey. Pachiderm my back end dear boy, stop being a sloth. 35 years of suffocation and you expect the TCs to take care of themselves, pull the other one, you've got the middle one.

You are pretending that the roc does not benefit from employing TC on half the wages and no insurance. You wish to have a partnersip, discuss that, if you don't you can take the south and .....

Do you realise that thanks to the roc suffocation, if Cyprus was united as you wish tomorrow, very few TCs would be eligible for tax and most would be on benefit due to their low wages. Get to the real world my friend, come down from that cloud you are on.

PS stop flirting with the TCs, aunty does not approve.

Rah Freddoulla, ask yourself a few questions ... how many tissy civil servants went on strike just last week to protest Turkey yet again freezing their wages? Not very happy bunnies were they? Then ask yourself how much cash is in RoC accounts the world over?

Now try and put one and one together and try and get the right answer.

Pres X has helped your lot out and there would be a lot more help if, for once, you send the right signs (that's not an invitation for profaner sort of signs).

[insan]

Is that Nasredin Hoca's violin?

No My friend...since Talat is in a crying mode i thought i'll get the violin out to company him..


Joke aside...game over for Talat...Dark forces have pulled his rope with this one.

Turkey's Radikal newspaper has been pushing this story very hard. You don't think that they could be trying to promote a new approach towards Cyprus in Turkey?

Nope...

Talat has been crucified in today's Turkish Cypriot press, that is for sure.

That's nothing compared to what they will do to him next election time.

Iceman. may I presume that you support UBP or TKP or are you one of those apolitical right wingers, cause you seem to take pleasure in the fate of our Muhtar. At least he can retire and say I did try. Where’s the previous leaders on both sides did not even try.

Fred.
I am neither UBP or TKP supporter.All my life i voted for CTP thinking they will make a difference if ever they came to power but they have disappointed me.
I promised not to ever vote again..Besides there are so many settler votes in north Cyprus now that even if all the proper TC's decided to go vote for one party they will still loose to Ankara's choice.

I know Talat personally...I used to believe in him big time,but since he got elected and made a few trips to Ankara he has become a different man..he is no longer the man i know..
If you think he is trying to make a peace with anyone you are more naive than i thought.

Iceman, who is being neive, of course Talat could only negotiate within certain parameters. How can Talat ignore Turkey? If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way. When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them. Ankara controls the MPs that are elected because she can, she pays the wages. If Muhtar X had any sense, he would release the suffocation and take the mantle of supporting the TCs financially till they can support themselves, and then we'll see if Talat can stand up to the Turks. How could Turkey refuse such a suggestion and not lose total credibility. The real disappointment has been Muhtar X. It turns out a shepherd from Lurucina could have done a better job.

It takes brains not brawn to defeat a bully especially when one is as weak as Cyprus militarily.

Reh Freddie,

How many thousands of tissies cross for work now? How many for free and priority health care, how many for Proper Passports so they can travel the EU freely.

You've been reminded time and time again about this. Pres X loves his tissy comrades and is helping them out financially and in other very real ways.

Now stop being a CY Pachiderm.

Put your thinking head on and consider who would pay for the Civil Service once Talat turns his back on Turkey. Pachiderm my back end dear boy, stop being a sloth. 35 years of suffocation and you expect the TCs to take care of themselves, pull the other one, you've got the middle one.

You are pretending that the roc does not benefit from employing TC on half the wages and no insurance. You wish to have a partnersip, discuss that, if you don't you can take the south and .....

Do you realise that thanks to the roc suffocation, if Cyprus was united as you wish tomorrow, very few TCs would be eligible for tax and most would be on benefit due to their low wages. Get to the real world my friend, come down from that cloud you are on.

PS stop flirting with the TCs, aunty does not approve.

Rah Freddoulla, ask yourself a few questions ... how many tissy civil servants went on strike just last week to protest Turkey yet again freezing their wages? Not very happy bunnies were they? Then ask yourself how much cash is in RoC accounts the world over?

Now try and put one and one together and try and get the right answer.

Pres X has helped your lot out and there would be a lot more help if, for once, you send the right signs (that's not an invitation for profaner sort of signs).

What kind of positive signals wishes ur Pres-X reh Billy mate? A move from TCs towards the acceptance of 3rs? Accepting minority status?

[bill cobbett]

Is that Nasredin Hoca's violin?

No My friend...since Talat is in a crying mode i thought i'll get the violin out to company him..


Joke aside...game over for Talat...Dark forces have pulled his rope with this one.

Turkey's Radikal newspaper has been pushing this story very hard. You don't think that they could be trying to promote a new approach towards Cyprus in Turkey?

Nope...

Talat has been crucified in today's Turkish Cypriot press, that is for sure.

That's nothing compared to what they will do to him next election time.

Iceman. may I presume that you support UBP or TKP or are you one of those apolitical right wingers, cause you seem to take pleasure in the fate of our Muhtar. At least he can retire and say I did try. Where’s the previous leaders on both sides did not even try.

Fred.
I am neither UBP or TKP supporter.All my life i voted for CTP thinking they will make a difference if ever they came to power but they have disappointed me.
I promised not to ever vote again..Besides there are so many settler votes in north Cyprus now that even if all the proper TC's decided to go vote for one party they will still loose to Ankara's choice.

I know Talat personally...I used to believe in him big time,but since he got elected and made a few trips to Ankara he has become a different man..he is no longer the man i know..
If you think he is trying to make a peace with anyone you are more naive than i thought.

Iceman, who is being neive, of course Talat could only negotiate within certain parameters. How can Talat ignore Turkey? If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way. When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them. Ankara controls the MPs that are elected because she can, she pays the wages. If Muhtar X had any sense, he would release the suffocation and take the mantle of supporting the TCs financially till they can support themselves, and then we'll see if Talat can stand up to the Turks. How could Turkey refuse such a suggestion and not lose total credibility. The real disappointment has been Muhtar X. It turns out a shepherd from Lurucina could have done a better job.

It takes brains not brawn to defeat a bully especially when one is as weak as Cyprus militarily.

Reh Freddie,

How many thousands of tissies cross for work now? How many for free and priority health care, how many for Proper Passports so they can travel the EU freely.

You've been reminded time and time again about this. Pres X loves his tissy comrades and is helping them out financially and in other very real ways.

Now stop being a CY Pachiderm.

Put your thinking head on and consider who would pay for the Civil Service once Talat turns his back on Turkey. Pachiderm my back end dear boy, stop being a sloth. 35 years of suffocation and you expect the TCs to take care of themselves, pull the other one, you've got the middle one.

You are pretending that the roc does not benefit from employing TC on half the wages and no insurance. You wish to have a partnersip, discuss that, if you don't you can take the south and .....

Do you realise that thanks to the roc suffocation, if Cyprus was united as you wish tomorrow, very few TCs would be eligible for tax and most would be on benefit due to their low wages. Get to the real world my friend, come down from that cloud you are on.

PS stop flirting with the TCs, aunty does not approve.

Rah Freddoulla, ask yourself a few questions ... how many tissy civil servants went on strike just last week to protest Turkey yet again freezing their wages? Not very happy bunnies were they? Then ask yourself how much cash is in RoC accounts the world over?

Now try and put one and one together and try and get the right answer.

Pres X has helped your lot out and there would be a lot more help if, for once, you send the right signs (that's not an invitation for profaner sort of signs).

What kind of positive signals wishes ur Pres-X reh Billy mate? A move from TCs towards the acceptance of 3rs? Accepting minority status?

Take to the streets my dear Insan, reclaim your country from the Turkish Army and the Settlers.

(what's reading, writing and 'rithmetic got to do with it?)

[insan]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the resources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

[insan]

Is that Nasredin Hoca's violin?

No My friend...since Talat is in a crying mode i thought i'll get the violin out to company him..


Joke aside...game over for Talat...Dark forces have pulled his rope with this one.

Turkey's Radikal newspaper has been pushing this story very hard. You don't think that they could be trying to promote a new approach towards Cyprus in Turkey?

Nope...

Talat has been crucified in today's Turkish Cypriot press, that is for sure.

That's nothing compared to what they will do to him next election time.

Iceman. may I presume that you support UBP or TKP or are you one of those apolitical right wingers, cause you seem to take pleasure in the fate of our Muhtar. At least he can retire and say I did try. Where’s the previous leaders on both sides did not even try.

Fred.
I am neither UBP or TKP supporter.All my life i voted for CTP thinking they will make a difference if ever they came to power but they have disappointed me.
I promised not to ever vote again..Besides there are so many settler votes in north Cyprus now that even if all the proper TC's decided to go vote for one party they will still loose to Ankara's choice.

I know Talat personally...I used to believe in him big time,but since he got elected and made a few trips to Ankara he has become a different man..he is no longer the man i know..
If you think he is trying to make a peace with anyone you are more naive than i thought.

Iceman, who is being neive, of course Talat could only negotiate within certain parameters. How can Talat ignore Turkey? If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way. When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them. Ankara controls the MPs that are elected because she can, she pays the wages. If Muhtar X had any sense, he would release the suffocation and take the mantle of supporting the TCs financially till they can support themselves, and then we'll see if Talat can stand up to the Turks. How could Turkey refuse such a suggestion and not lose total credibility. The real disappointment has been Muhtar X. It turns out a shepherd from Lurucina could have done a better job.

It takes brains not brawn to defeat a bully especially when one is as weak as Cyprus militarily.

Reh Freddie,

How many thousands of tissies cross for work now? How many for free and priority health care, how many for Proper Passports so they can travel the EU freely.

You've been reminded time and time again about this. Pres X loves his tissy comrades and is helping them out financially and in other very real ways.

Now stop being a CY Pachiderm.

Put your thinking head on and consider who would pay for the Civil Service once Talat turns his back on Turkey. Pachiderm my back end dear boy, stop being a sloth. 35 years of suffocation and you expect the TCs to take care of themselves, pull the other one, you've got the middle one.

You are pretending that the roc does not benefit from employing TC on half the wages and no insurance. You wish to have a partnersip, discuss that, if you don't you can take the south and .....

Do you realise that thanks to the roc suffocation, if Cyprus was united as you wish tomorrow, very few TCs would be eligible for tax and most would be on benefit due to their low wages. Get to the real world my friend, come down from that cloud you are on.

PS stop flirting with the TCs, aunty does not approve.

Rah Freddoulla, ask yourself a few questions ... how many tissy civil servants went on strike just last week to protest Turkey yet again freezing their wages? Not very happy bunnies were they? Then ask yourself how much cash is in RoC accounts the world over?

Now try and put one and one together and try and get the right answer.

Pres X has helped your lot out and there would be a lot more help if, for once, you send the right signs (that's not an invitation for profaner sort of signs).

What kind of positive signals wishes ur Pres-X reh Billy mate? A move from TCs towards the acceptance of 3rs? Accepting minority status?

Take to the streets my dear Insan, reclaim your country from the Turkish Army and the Settlers.

(what's reading, writing and 'rithmetic got to do with it?)

Gene Rossides describes the 3 Rs differently... If u dream we will fight with settlers and Turkish army and gift the North to u in return of minority status; u better stop dreaming mate.

[bill cobbett]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

Well said Insan, nepotism, political favours, everywhere (inc RoC) must be sought out and condemned.

Take to the streets of the Occupied North mate and condemn this shitey system which in many cases rewards Illegals with the best jobs and houses and where the regimes reward themselves with grants of land.

[YFred]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

That’s not Party Politics, that is called nepotism. That is totally wrong. Did it happen under Talat as much as it did under UBP or DP?
I have heard the opposite. I talked to CTP members who were very disappointed that when CTP came to power, they did not apply nepotism to help their children get jobs.

[insan]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

Well said Insan, nepotism, political favours, everywhere (inc RoC) must be sought out and condemned.

Take to the streets of the Occupied North mate and condemn this shitey system which in many cases rewards Illegals with the best jobs and houses and where the regimes reward themselves with grants of land.

I have been mercilessly critisizing them on every opportunity I got; especially with my comments on internet editions of newspapers. Recently 2 hopeful initiatives were established against the corrupt political and social system of TRNC.

One was established by TC Youth and other was established by some idealist advocates and lawyers.

Hope we will be able to get rid of this corrupt political and social system which kill all kinds of development of TC community.

[insan]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

That’s not Party Politics, that is called nepotism. That is totally wrong. Did it happen under Talat as much as it did under UBP or DP?
I have heard the opposite. I talked to CTP members who were very disappointed that when CTP came to power, they did not apply nepotism to help their children get jobs.

I've already stated that left wingers r less corrupt when compared to right wingers but CTP is a nepotist political party to a degree too. There r 3-4 allegations of corruption regarding when CTP was in power. I'm sure u've heard abt some of them especially the Hellim issue...

[bill cobbett]

If there is an elephant in your front garden, you just can't push it out of the way.

Fred
Go back and read Talat's quoted statement...what did he say?
We should have voted no. Then we would have paid whatever consequences there might have been.
That would have been the honorable action...not follow like sheep..
Better starve & die a free man than live as a slave..
This was not the reason Turkish Cypriot community struggled all those years before 1974...to be a slave to their saviour!!

When it comes to settlers, they are not a united front, and Ankara certainly can't control them.

You have just showed how clueless you are about elections in north Cyprus..
Every election time,the Turkish embassy members visit settlers villages the last few nights before the election and give them their instructions.

by the way....how many times have you voted in Cyprus?

Iceman, voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC cannot be considered as Talat's fault. They democratically voted for it in their party and majority voted for voting in favour of proclamation of TRNC even though Talat and some other 12 CTP memeber of council voted against it.

As for Turkish embassy giving instructions to settlers durin elections time; there's no need for Turkish embassy giving instructions. Settlers exist in grasroots of all political parties and it is those political parties which one way or another convince them to vote this or that. This is called a disgusting partisan social order. The situation is not different for TCs. They too r a part of that disgusting partisan, political and social order. Had there been no settlers, with our incompetent and greedy politicians we would still all be a part of this disgusting partisan wheel.

Partisanship is not something related with existence of settlers. It is our traditional right wing political cultur that even CTP had many partisan policies during it was in power. However when partisanship of left wingers compared to right wingers, I can say that left wingers r less partisan than right wingers.

Insan, why is Party politics disgusting, if you didn't have that, you would have disgusting racial parties. If settlers have joined the parties, it goes to show political awareness, they are probaply playing the Emnassy fools to gain some money and vote as they wish. Good for them.

YFred, partisanship system of TRNC created a disgusting, yes disgusting parental system; an oligarchy which discriminates those who r not officially the party members of the political party in power.

This oligarchy, illegally and illogically distributes the sources that belong to all citizens of TRNC among only the official memebers of the political party in power.

Regardless of people's talents, this oligarchy distibutes almost all impoertant government posts to some incompetent imbeciles for the sake of payback and keeping themselves in power.

This is a total corruption.. it is definately unacceptable to me.

Well said Insan, nepotism, political favours, everywhere (inc RoC) must be sought out and condemned.

Take to the streets of the Occupied North mate and condemn this shitey system which in many cases rewards Illegals with the best jobs and houses and where the regimes reward themselves with grants of land.

I have been mercilessly critisizing them on every opportunity I got; especially with my comments on internet editions of newspapers. Recently 2 hopeful initiatives were established against the corrupt political and social system of TRNC.

One was established by TC Youth and other was established by some idealist advocates and lawyers.

Hope we will be able to get rid of this corrupt political and social system which kill all kinds of development of TC community.

Fair enough mate. All respect to you for your stand.

What about a lot these Settlers? Let me tell you a story.

A close relation has a very nice house with loads of land around it in a village in the Karpas. Built in the '60s from reinforced concrete. Trust me, have sen it, brill house. For a few years after '74 a tissy family moved in. Fair enough, people have to live somewhere and it works both ways.

For the last few years however a Settler Family has moved in. What did they do to get one of the best houses in the village? The tissies on the rest of the village struggle to get by in the old straw walled houses.