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[Oracle]

Then you need to ask for an annual statement of expenditure from the management company.

You will only stay within the law if you continue payments because it all still sounds legal apart from your actions. We only have one part time cleaner and one part time gardener, so your set-up sounds very good. Most of the fees go on accounting and insurance and major communal repairs; for example recently removal of an obstructive tree at our place cost £5,000 (cheapest of 3 quotes).

[Z4]

Oracle is right here. You need to ask for the annual accounts/statement of expenditure.

[Tim Drayton]

When I bought the apartment in 2006 the charges were £250 cyp, in the contract the maintainance company was named, we later found that the developer had formed this company just to carry out the maintainance of the 40 apartments. On completion we were asked to sign an aggreement that allowed the maintainance 'company' to maintain the complex for 5 years. We were told "sign or no keys", our solicitor told us to sign otherwise it could be 'messy', being British, we signed.
In the beginning there was a full time maintainance man and 2 full time cleaners, within 6 months this went down to 1 cleaner, a few hours a week, the complex now looks 30 years old, not 3.
With no itemised bill we don't know exactley what maintainance should be carried out, in other words, just what is being done for our 900 euros.

The best thing to do, it seems to me, would be to canvass as many other residents as possible to see if they share your concerns. If they do, you could consult jointly with a lawyer as to the availability of any remedies or courses of action. This is not a matter on which a layman can comment.

[bluelagoon33]

[quote="Hazza"]2 bed appartment, almost 3 years old....

Ground floor, pays nothing as he doesn't share anything else from the appartment bloc.


i dont know where you get that from but everybody has to pay, its communal. i.e if the person who lives in the penthouse has a problem with his roof i.e leeking then everone has to chip in. its not like its the person who lives on top is his problem.

thesis
Me V my whole block!!! HHAHAHAHA

i won!!

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

2 bed appartment, almost 3 years old....

Ground floor, pays nothing as he doesn't share anything else from the appartment bloc.


i dont know where you get that from but everybody has to pay, its communal. i.e if the person who lives in the penthouse has a problem with his roof i.e leeking then everone has to chip in. its not like its the person who lives on top is his problem.

thesis
Me V my whole block!!! HHAHAHAHA

i won!!

have you gone mad

[Z4]

2 bed appartment, almost 3 years old....

Ground floor, pays nothing as he doesn't share anything else from the appartment bloc.


i dont know where you get that from but everybody has to pay, its communal. i.e if the person who lives in the penthouse has a problem with his roof i.e leeking then everone has to chip in. its not like its the person who lives on top is his problem.

thesis
Me V my whole block!!! HHAHAHAHA

i won!!

have you gone mad

I think so!

[beverley10]

we have same problem with our developer not maintaining the complex but demanding payment with no accounting to we owners as to costs.It is also illegal to charge the same price to all regardless of size of property.We have been demanding to see the utility bills,insurance etc for 2 years now but still no luck.Just bully tactics from the son to widows but not to the male owners.2 owners are Cypriot,rent theirs out but pay nothing towards communal charges.1 owner a permanent resident never paid a penny but use all facillities and leave their stuff all over the site.We are trying to get everyone to agree a strategy but it is hopeless as there is no one on site permanently to oversee independant maintainance company etc.

[Milo]

I have one bedroom apartment in Peyia the only facilities are a communal pool and a small garden area (approx 2m x 20m). The developer is charging 900 euros pa for the maintainance. At the moment I am refusing to pay due to (a) I think it is to much, and (b) they will not issue a bill or receipt.
How does this compare to others ?
Ps, there are 40, 1 and 2 bed apartments, I think the 2 beds are being charged 1200 euros pa.

There is a large Developer here in the East that has used the same type of 'contract' to lock people in to a nice little earner for him for years, and in a few cases I know of personally refused keys without signing with their maintenance.

But unless any of you own title deeds the Developer is the legal owner, so it is the responsibity of them to maintain the building etc but go thru an independent lawyer and get him/her to get a breakdown of costs etc

This link is the official regs if you scroll down a ways, you will though lose the will to live reading it

http://www.cyprus-property-buyers.com/f ... gs-law.pdf

One solicitor in Limassol successfully got a management committee registered who did not have their deeds at all, they, the residents had also been fleeced by their Developer on communal charges, so maybe things are slowly changing in favour of the residents. But be warned non payers are in breach so please get an independent lawyer onto this rather than just ignoring payments. It may well work against you even though your payments might/are far to high. Good luck

[Tim Drayton]

I have one bedroom apartment in Peyia the only facilities are a communal pool and a small garden area (approx 2m x 20m). The developer is charging 900 euros pa for the maintainance. At the moment I am refusing to pay due to (a) I think it is to much, and (b) they will not issue a bill or receipt.
How does this compare to others ?
Ps, there are 40, 1 and 2 bed apartments, I think the 2 beds are being charged 1200 euros pa.

There is a large Developer here in the East that has used the same type of 'contract' to lock people in to a nice little earner for him for years, and in a few cases I know of personally refused keys without signing with their maintenance.

But unless any of you own title deeds the Developer is the legal owner, so it is the responsibity of them to maintain the building etc but go thru an independent lawyer and get him/her to get a breakdown of costs etc

This link is the official regs if you scroll down a ways, you will though lose the will to live reading it

http://www.cyprus-property-buyers.com/f ... gs-law.pdf

One solicitor in Limassol successfully got a management committee registered who did not have their deeds at all, they, the residents had also been fleeced by their Developer on communal charges, so maybe things are slowly changing in favour of the residents. But be warned non payers are in breach so please get an independent lawyer onto this rather than just ignoring payments. It may well work against you even though your payments might/are far to high. Good luck

I am not so sure about that. Our block of flats is about five years old and the title deeds are still pending, yet there has been a very successful residents' committee in operation here from the outset which takes care of all maintenance and expenditure.

[Tim Drayton]

I have fished out the agreement between me and the developer who sold me my flat.

Under the section entitled 'OBLIGATIONS OF THE VENDOR' one finds the following:

To maintain the property at the Vendor's risk until delivered to the Purchaser.

I take 'delivery' to mean the time that the purchaser physically takes possession of the property, and not the time at which the title deeds are issued. This agreement was drawn up by a lawyer with a very solid reputation in the property field so I cannot believe that this runs counter to anything in Cyprus law. Perhaps contractual provision may be made, should the parties so agree, for the developer to remain responsible for maintenance until the title deeds are issued but I cannot believe that there is any statutory requirement for this to be so.