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Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Expatkiwi » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:50 am

I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?
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Postby Lit » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:30 am

Does sugar in your caramels make you jump like this?



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Postby Piratis » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:42 am

Do you think that every country with minorities should be partitioned by means of ethnic cleansing just because some minority decided to be troublesome and refuses to accept democracy and human rights?

What you say would be valid if ethnic cleansing was not needed. E.g. in the case of Kurdistan the Kurds are (naturally) the majority. So Turkey can be easily partitioned without the need for ethnic cleansing or other human rights violations. And still Turkey chooses to worry about that "troublesome minority" instead of accepting an independent Kurdistan. Why? Are Turks also illogical? Or they have two different sets of "logic", one which applies to Turkey and a different that applies to Cyprus?

Furthermore the TCs/Turks are too greedy to ever accept a proportional division. Until the invasion TCs have been the 18% of population, and now they are about 12%. If they were willing to accept a split based on that proportion for land, coastline, and resources then maybe many GCs would consider it. But they want us to allow to them to take recognition as the owners of the lands they stole from us by just giving back a tiny amount of that land. Obviously such unreasonable thing will never be accepted.
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Postby kafenes » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:10 am

I am certain that if it was put to a referendum, a partition of even 20-80%, the majority GCs would vote for YES. But as we all know and history has proven, that so far, Turkey has never given back anything they have stolen.
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Postby B25 » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:42 am

kafenes wrote:I am certain that if it was put to a referendum, a partition of even 20-80%, the majority GCs would vote for YES. But as we all know and history has proven, that so far, Turkey has never given back anything they have stolen.


Kafene,

The problem with agreeing partition would mean that they would be legalised criminals (a contradiction of terms I know). Why give them the recognition they seek and loose the country for good, as once accepted there would be no going back and with Turkey legally doing anything she wanted in the north would also mean we would all be living in fear of the next invasion.

No, they get no mandate from me (and I will shout it from the top of mountains) to permanently split this country apart for the sake of a few sour grape loser TCs who are disappearing fast. Soon we won't have to worry about them, we should maintain and strengthen the stranglehold until they yield.

It would be too easy for them to do that and it may just be what Turkey is planning all long.

Turks out of Cyprus.
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Get Real! » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:22 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:Why not accept partition in some form?

Just as soon as you’re ready to partition your wealth and property and gift to a neighbor so will we! Just let us know Expat…
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby YFred » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:05 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:Why not accept partition in some form?

Just as soon as you’re ready to partition your wealth and property and gift to a neighbor so will we! Just let us know Expat…

Since when did my property become your property that I need to share it with you. Stop beeing such an arse and start building some bridges old boy, if you wish to live together, otherwise it will be two sates and there is sod all you can do about it.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:16 pm

i spit on anyone who thinks that being "Greek" or "Turkish" is more important than the responsibility we have as this island's dwellers. it is ignorant beyond imagination to dismiss a culture which has as its roots an origin which is older than either culture.

to those of you who cannot see how we wil be subjected to more misery with partition, i say you are cowards of the worst kind, certainly not Human, but weak with the inability to overcome the intolerance which has led to this impasse. do you think that living apart will lead to peace, or a betterment of our condition; go hang your own from trees, look around you, you live with people whose hatred will destroy you.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:49 am

Lit wrote:Does sugar in your caramels make you jump like this?



"I hope i don't look stupid"

:lol:


and your point is...?
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Oracle » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:46 am

Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Giving free land and responsibility to the TCs would harm them. They are already maladjusted as humans ... unable to live with other beings. They cannot see how behaving immorally is unacceptable. They will not mature mentally to take their place in this world as true equals if they are rewarded for crimes.
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