YFred wrote:Hermes wrote:Expatkiwi wrote:Hermes wrote:Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.
Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?
The problem is the 40,000 Turkish troops and 100,000 illegal settlers. The "troublesome minority" have largely fucked off. It is Turkey which has designs on the north and the G/Cs aren't about to hand over an inch of their land to a bunch of murdering, thieving barbarians. So take your partition and shove it up where the sun don't shine.
Hermes, something tells me that there is a chance that you don't like the idea of partition very much... so perhaps you can tell me how the Cyprus Problem is going to be solved... WITHOUT the bucholic obscenities that seem to be a hallmark of Greek Cypriot communications, if this forum is anything to judge by.
The real obscenity is the insistence on partition. Partition is not a solution. It is an attempt to legalise what has been taken by force. This is truly offensive to the majority of Greek Cypriots. A solution will have to meet certain Greek Cypriot demands. These are well known and address the requirements of justice and involve the reversal of the role of Turkey in the occupation of the north.
Turkey will not be allowed to benefit from its crimes in the north. Neither will the T/Cs. In exchange for withdrawing its troops, settlers and all claims to Cyprus, Turkey will be allowed to continue its accession path to the EU. The T/Cs will have to stand on their own feet in a unified federal sovereign state. It will be hard for them having become dependent on Turkish hand-outs. Welcome to the real world...
This is the exact mentality that will lead to partition. You guys are sleep walking to it. You can pretend that TCs don't exist all you like, the notion that Turkey stole GC land, my arse. The GCs have doen enough of stealing TC land thank you very much. Sorry I forgot, what you did is called legalised stealing and is approved by the Internal law and courts. Well I think you know what you can do with both of those. It involves cylindricising them and I think you know the rest........
I noticed there was no mention of the suffocation with love as to the reason why the TCs have come to depend on Turkey for so heavily. Nice of you to forget that.
Never mind sweet dreams
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What is this nonsense? Do you actually believe that Greek Cypriots didn't own land and live in northern Cyprus before 1974? Or that these 200,000 refugees were living on Turkish Cypriot land in the north? You're surely not that daft? What are you arguing for then if not to legalise the status quo? To keep everything as it is. That the "TRNC", Greek land, property, settlers and the rest of it, is legalised? And this is the kind of "solution" you think the Greek Cypriots will accept? What rubbish.
And don't threaten us with partition. Partition is what exists now. You have tried partition and it hasn't worked. So give it up. If you want to be EU citizens then start behaving like Europeans. Respect EU courts and legal judgements. There is no opt-out on property. The property issue has been solved in the courts. It went to arbitration and the rights of the original owners is now a legally-determined fact. Nothing can be done without the consent of the original owners. You wanted a BBF, you've got it. Now you don't like it because it means you have to abide by EU laws and charters. What is it you want exactly?
As for trade, you should complain to your Turkish overlords. They have rejected all attempts to export Turkish Cypriot goods and services through the legal ports and airports in the government–controlled areas. Have you bothered to ask them why?
