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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby YFred » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:30 am

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Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Giving free land and responsibility to the TCs would harm them. They are already maladjusted as humans ... unable to live with other beings. They cannot see how behaving immorally is unacceptable. They will not mature mentally to take their place in this world as true equals if they are rewarded for crimes.

Madam, you have reached beyond the point of no return. I was going to say you need some help, but it is pointless.
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Expatkiwi » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:30 am

YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Giving free land and responsibility to the TCs would harm them. They are already maladjusted as humans ... unable to live with other beings. They cannot see how behaving immorally is unacceptable. They will not mature mentally to take their place in this world as true equals if they are rewarded for crimes.

Madam, you have reached beyond the point of no return. I was going to say you need some help, but it is pointless.


Oracle looks at the issue from one angle only. Trade offs and compensation would have to be included in a partition settlement. Idealism on its own is not going to solve the problem. Let's just negotiate an honorable partition.
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby YFred » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:34 am

Expatkiwi wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Giving free land and responsibility to the TCs would harm them. They are already maladjusted as humans ... unable to live with other beings. They cannot see how behaving immorally is unacceptable. They will not mature mentally to take their place in this world as true equals if they are rewarded for crimes.

Madam, you have reached beyond the point of no return. I was going to say you need some help, but it is pointless.


Oracle looks at the issue from one angle only. Trade offs and compensation would have to be included in a partition settlement. Idealism on its own is not going to solve the problem. Let's just negotiate an honorable partition.

YFred clan say no. We want to smoke the peace pipe with our GC cousins.
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby insan » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:44 am

YFred wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Giving free land and responsibility to the TCs would harm them. They are already maladjusted as humans ... unable to live with other beings. They cannot see how behaving immorally is unacceptable. They will not mature mentally to take their place in this world as true equals if they are rewarded for crimes.

Madam, you have reached beyond the point of no return. I was going to say you need some help, but it is pointless.


Oracle looks at the issue from one angle only. Trade offs and compensation would have to be included in a partition settlement. Idealism on its own is not going to solve the problem. Let's just negotiate an honorable partition.

YFred clan say no. We want to smoke the peace pipe with our GC cousins.


R u sure u want to smoke the peace pipe with our GC cousins or u and YFred clan r just another political group happily fed by Status quo and that's why u still insist despite the fact we haven't been able to smoke that so-called peace pipe since 1955? :twisted: :wink: :lol:
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:46 am

Expatkiwi wrote:Trade offs and compensation would have to be included in a partition settlement.

That's based on your assumption that such a "settlement" (read sudden daft urge of 750,000 GCs to gift territory out of the blue) would ever take place... :lol:

Idealism on its own is not going to solve the problem. Let's just negotiate an honorable partition.

Sure, you can talk to these guys...

http://www.mod.gov.cy/mod/mod.nsf/dmlin ... enDocument
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Oracle » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:55 am

Expatkiwi wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Giving free land and responsibility to the TCs would harm them. They are already maladjusted as humans ... unable to live with other beings. They cannot see how behaving immorally is unacceptable. They will not mature mentally to take their place in this world as true equals if they are rewarded for crimes.

Madam, you have reached beyond the point of no return. I was going to say you need some help, but it is pointless.


Oracle looks at the issue from one angle only. Trade offs and compensation would have to be included in a partition settlement. Idealism on its own is not going to solve the problem. Let's just negotiate an honorable partition.


Yes, from what is legally/morally right!

Whereas you look at it purely for economic gains for the Turks.
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Sotos » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:13 am

Expatkiwi wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Giving free land and responsibility to the TCs would harm them. They are already maladjusted as humans ... unable to live with other beings. They cannot see how behaving immorally is unacceptable. They will not mature mentally to take their place in this world as true equals if they are rewarded for crimes.

Madam, you have reached beyond the point of no return. I was going to say you need some help, but it is pointless.


Oracle looks at the issue from one angle only. Trade offs and compensation would have to be included in a partition settlement. Idealism on its own is not going to solve the problem. Let's just negotiate an honorable partition.


We will accept 1/3rd of Turkey in return. Deal? :lol:
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby wallace » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:53 am

Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?


Why dont you go fuck yourself bloody foreigner and mind you own business! While your ad it.......why not partition the whole of Europe.....lots of minorities in various countries! Idiot! :twisted:
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Expatkiwi » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:30 am

Get Real! wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:Trade offs and compensation would have to be included in a partition settlement.

That's based on your assumption that such a "settlement" (read sudden daft urge of 750,000 GCs to gift territory out of the blue) would ever take place... :lol:

Idealism on its own is not going to solve the problem. Let's just negotiate an honorable partition.

Sure, you can talk to these guys...

http://www.mod.gov.cy/mod/mod.nsf/dmlin ... enDocument


I don't think they would be in the mood to listen to what I have to say, somehow...
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Re: Why not accept partition in some form?

Postby Hermes » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:39 am

Expatkiwi wrote:I'm hearing so many arguments about unitary states and evictions, and other plans which really are not going to wash with the TRNC (and Turkey). Why can't you support partition in some form. At least you won't have to worry about what you call "a troublesome minority", and you can be as fully Greek as you like.

Seriously: has anyone seriously said: "If you people in the north cede x amount of your territory in the south, then we'll let you have your country"? Of course, such an offer would have to be based on land and population issues, plus a pledge that such a country would not be permitted to be annexed by Turkey, but it seems to be a win-win situation overall. Or is it too logical to be seriously considered?

The problem is the 40,000 Turkish troops and 100,000 illegal settlers. The "troublesome minority" have largely fucked off. It is Turkey which has designs on the north and the G/Cs aren't about to hand over an inch of their land to a bunch of murdering, thieving barbarians. So take your partition and shove it up where the sun don't shine.
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