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Postby Oracle » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:56 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
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Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:I hate units of measurement ... :roll:

Can anyone explain the difference/similarity between cm cubed and ml?


cm3 = ml


I seem to recall a slight disparity :?


He's right... :wink:


I remember the definition was they were "essentially" the same and this has always irked me!

Why "essentially" ... either they are exactly the same (in which case why use the cumbersome cm cubed?) ... or they have an "essential" difference in usage!

Density, buoyancy and volume! :roll:


Had a think and got nowhere so googlied ...

Remarkably there is a difference where really there shouldn't, due to different, unreated standards being used by the blooming French to define the metre and kilogram.

Have to go to 5 decimal places for the diff mind.

Never had this problem with pounds and ounces.

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sequoianoir

Unfortunately, 1ml does not equal 1cc. There is a difference when you go to 5 decimal places.

The metric system has it roots in Paris in 1793. In addition to decimal system proposals, units of length, mass and volume were provisionally created. (A brass standard of the provisional metre was made: it is preserved in the Conservatoire des Arts et Métiers, Paris.) This was when the LITRE was first defined as a measure for liquids, this being an appropriately sized volume for commercial use. As the 19th century drew to a close, very precise measurements were needed in the fields of Physics, Chemistry and engineering. In 1889 the "Standard Kilogramme" was created. This was supposed to be the same as 1 litre of distilled water at its maximum density -ie. at a temperature of 4 degrees celsius. The LITRE then became officially defined as 1 kilogramme of pure water at 4°C. Unfortunately there was a very small error and it was not until 1907 that it was detected. The "1889 Standard kilogramme" was discovered to have a mass of 1000.028 cc of pure water at 4°C and so it followed that a LITRE was 1000.028 cc. A decision was taken to leave the kilogramme as the "Standard" but to divide the LITRE into 1000 equal parts and to call this division by a new name the millilitre (ml).
From 1907 millilitres were used as the standard unit of liquid and volume measurement.
So 1 millilitre then equalled 1.000028 cc and 1 cc equalled 0.999972 ml.
Accordingly 1 millilitre of pure water at 4°C had a mass of 1 gramme

Apr 21 04, 4:32 PM
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In 1964 the General Conference of Weights and Measurements re-defined the LITRE as a true measurement of volume and so equal to 1000 centimetres cubed (cm3 or cc). This changed the specification of the litre, by the fact that its new definition is directly related to the metre as a measurement of volume and no longer to the kilogramme.
However, the millilitre remained as per the original specification and the ml calibration of scientific vessels used in very accurate analytical work is not 1/1000th of a litre where a litre = 1000cc, but where 1ml of pure water at 4°C has a mass of 1 gramme.
So 1ml does not equal 1cc

Apr 21 04, 4:33 PM


Sorry ... cannot be bothered with reading all that. Basically the take home message is where I left it with 'O' Level physics where there is an "essential" difference but no one can be bothered to define it simply! :roll:
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Postby annaka » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:57 pm

iWe bought our land in 1973, which at the time was owned by a brother and sister, but only the brother was selling his half. The Land Registy said it wasn't big enough to divide into two separate deeds. Later the sister decided to sell us her half and our daughter was interested. We then had to make a Deed of Gift to our daughter and the Deed now shows a quarter in my husband's name, a quarter in my name and a half in our daughter's name.

We had to take the topografiki for the official division to be made, but they still wouldn't separate the piece. Our house was built in 1990 and to get the Deliki Engrisi, we have to build the road, pavement and drainage around the front and one side of the whole piece of land. We don't have to do the back and other side as the adjoining land both have berasma (or access) to their land. Therefore, like 99% of our neighbours in the village, we didn't bother. It saves on tax is their advice!

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Postby Oracle » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:00 am

Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:I hate units of measurement ... :roll:

Can anyone explain the difference/similarity between cm cubed and ml?


cm3 = ml


I seem to recall a slight disparity :?


He's right... :wink:


I remember the definition was they were "essentially" the same and this has always irked me!

Why "essentially" ... either they are exactly the same (in which case why use the cumbersome cm cubed?) ... or they have an "essential" difference in usage!

Density, buoyancy and volume! :roll:


Remember that a measurement of the litre was based on water...

They are Identical in terms of measurement...
Density is measured in centistokes...
Volume is always the same regardless of fluid.....
But water has specific gravity of 1 where as oil (in general) has a gravity of less than 1 therefore oil will float.... hence the buoyancy


Phill my dear ... I am disappointed! :(

Men must be most accurate in their measurements ....
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Postby B25 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:05 am

bill cobbett wrote:
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souroul wrote:cant split if its not big enough. the limit is half an "ikopedo" (someone translate) right?


ikopedo = building plot, one for a single house (300-400m2?)

In TC one "evlek" or 1/4 donum.


So at say 1200m2 to the donum, an evlek would be 300m2.

I like these old measures like evlek. Regretfully there is an increasing use of Eurodisney metric in the Free Areas. "dekaria" is often used being 1/10 of a hectare.

The old weights were great as well. Anyone come across Onja and Domari as measures of weight?


1 skala = 1 donum = 1338m2

A full build plot (or sosto oikopido) = 520m2

Half an oikopedo = 260m2

Dekaria = 1000m2

Hectare = 10,000m2

I know of the onja never heard of domari though.
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Postby Phill » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:13 am

bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:I hate units of measurement ... :roll:

Can anyone explain the difference/similarity between cm cubed and ml?


cm3 = ml


I seem to recall a slight disparity :?


He's right... :wink:


I remember the definition was they were "essentially" the same and this has always irked me!

Why "essentially" ... either they are exactly the same (in which case why use the cumbersome cm cubed?) ... or they have an "essential" difference in usage!

Density, buoyancy and volume! :roll:


Had a think and got nowhere so googlied ...

Remarkably there is a difference where really there shouldn't, due to different, unreated standards being used by the blooming French to define the metre and kilogram.

Have to go to 5 decimal places for the diff mind.

Never had this problem with pounds and ounces.

------------

sequoianoir

Unfortunately, 1ml does not equal 1cc. There is a difference when you go to 5 decimal places.

The metric system has it roots in Paris in 1793. In addition to decimal system proposals, units of length, mass and volume were provisionally created. (A brass standard of the provisional metre was made: it is preserved in the Conservatoire des Arts et Métiers, Paris.) This was when the LITRE was first defined as a measure for liquids, this being an appropriately sized volume for commercial use. As the 19th century drew to a close, very precise measurements were needed in the fields of Physics, Chemistry and engineering. In 1889 the "Standard Kilogramme" was created. This was supposed to be the same as 1 litre of distilled water at its maximum density -ie. at a temperature of 4 degrees celsius. The LITRE then became officially defined as 1 kilogramme of pure water at 4°C. Unfortunately there was a very small error and it was not until 1907 that it was detected. The "1889 Standard kilogramme" was discovered to have a mass of 1000.028 cc of pure water at 4°C and so it followed that a LITRE was 1000.028 cc. A decision was taken to leave the kilogramme as the "Standard" but to divide the LITRE into 1000 equal parts and to call this division by a new name the millilitre (ml).
From 1907 millilitres were used as the standard unit of liquid and volume measurement.
So 1 millilitre then equalled 1.000028 cc and 1 cc equalled 0.999972 ml.
Accordingly 1 millilitre of pure water at 4°C had a mass of 1 gramme

Apr 21 04, 4:32 PM
sequoianoir

In 1964 the General Conference of Weights and Measurements re-defined the LITRE as a true measurement of volume and so equal to 1000 centimetres cubed (cm3 or cc). This changed the specification of the litre, by the fact that its new definition is directly related to the metre as a measurement of volume and no longer to the kilogramme.
However, the millilitre remained as per the original specification and the ml calibration of scientific vessels used in very accurate analytical work is not 1/1000th of a litre where a litre = 1000cc, but where 1ml of pure water at 4°C has a mass of 1 gramme.
So 1ml does not equal 1cc

Apr 21 04, 4:33 PM


Nice research Bill, interesting!!!!
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Postby Phill » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:19 am

Oracle wrote:
Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:I hate units of measurement ... :roll:

Can anyone explain the difference/similarity between cm cubed and ml?


cm3 = ml


I seem to recall a slight disparity :?


He's right... :wink:


I remember the definition was they were "essentially" the same and this has always irked me!

Why "essentially" ... either they are exactly the same (in which case why use the cumbersome cm cubed?) ... or they have an "essential" difference in usage!

Density, buoyancy and volume! :roll:


Remember that a measurement of the litre was based on water...

They are Identical in terms of measurement...
Density is measured in centistokes...
Volume is always the same regardless of fluid.....
But water has specific gravity of 1 where as oil (in general) has a gravity of less than 1 therefore oil will float.... hence the buoyancy


Phill my dear ... I am disappointed! :(

Men must be most accurate in their measurements ....


Bugger!!!! I retreat!!!!!..... It's late and I'm tired.... I'm getting old you know!!! I'll crawl back ino my shell now... :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:21 am

Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Phill wrote:
Oracle wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Oracle wrote:I hate units of measurement ... :roll:

Can anyone explain the difference/similarity between cm cubed and ml?


cm3 = ml


I seem to recall a slight disparity :?


He's right... :wink:


I remember the definition was they were "essentially" the same and this has always irked me!

Why "essentially" ... either they are exactly the same (in which case why use the cumbersome cm cubed?) ... or they have an "essential" difference in usage!

Density, buoyancy and volume! :roll:


Remember that a measurement of the litre was based on water...

They are Identical in terms of measurement...
Density is measured in centistokes...
Volume is always the same regardless of fluid.....
But water has specific gravity of 1 where as oil (in general) has a gravity of less than 1 therefore oil will float.... hence the buoyancy


Phill my dear ... I am disappointed! :(

Men must be most accurate in their measurements ....


Bugger!!!! I retreat!!!!!..... It's late and I'm tired.... I'm getting old you know!!! I'll crawl back ino my shell now... :lol:


Goodnight ... and nothing beats bountiful laughter lines! :wink:
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