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[mehmet]

From the above figures I can understand that they fight anyone that was against their mission. This is a dictatorship approach because who told them that they were rightfull and Legal to proceed with such actions in the first place.

Makarios and Grivas agree together to launch armed struggle. The Church and EOKA were very much united on a lot of things. Only inthe mid 1960s when Makarios decide on a path independent of the centre of 'Hellenism' (Athens) did the Greek state interfere with Cyprus to get rid of him and have Nikos Sampson replace him as President.

[Piratis]

Let me also quote part of a speech (from "Politis" newspaper) of Makarios made on 4/9/1962 at his village Panayia in Paphos.

Politis newspaper did not exist in 1962. The just write a bunch of LIES along with you and the rest of the traitors with their only aim to assist our enemies. You said yourself that you wished for Cyprus to be under the British even today. What could we expect to hear from traitors like you?

Even if we assume that your statistics are correct (and thats a huge if - where did you get them?) it is clear that EOKA didn't target TCs because of their race. They killed more British and GCs than TCs.

This is a dictatorship approach because who told them that they were rightful and Legal to proceed with such actions in the first place.

We are not slaves, and people like Bananiot are a small minority. The great majority of CG not only supported the cause of EOKA but they also helped actively. Also, in 1950 their was something like referendum for union of Cyprus with Greece where more than 95% of GC sign it.

1931 Riots in Nicosia for enosis - union with Greece

1950 Referendum of Greek-Cypriots shows near total support for enosis .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 69,00.html

So either you like it or not, this was what the great majority of Greek Cypriots and therefore the majority of Cypriots wanted at that time.
If the British and the others would accept this democratic wish of the great majority of GCs from 30s or even early 50s no EOKA would have existed. Did you expected from us to be slaves without fighting for our rights???

[mehmet]

In a speech made in Kykko Monastery on Auugust 15, 1962,

''Greek Cypriotsmust continue to march forward to complete the work begun by EOKA heroes.... the struggle is continuing in anew form, and will go on until we achieve our goal''

In a speech made in his native village in Panayia,

''Unless this small Turkish community forming a part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enenmy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated'', this was made on September 4th, 1962.''

Rather than looking for enemies check your history books, if you find anything that contradicts the above statements show them for everyone to see.

By the way, that 1950 referundum was organised by the Greek Orthodox Church (who was the leader of it then?). People were invited to put their name to a petition that was pinned up outside churches up and down the island. That 5% felt brave enough to resist the pressure to do what the Church was organising is a statement in itself. Only dictators get 95% support.

Who are your enemies? They seem to be growing by the day. You're right, Turkish Cypriots weren't targeted for their race, they waited until 1963 to do that. Also you don't need to tell me that the majority actively supported EOKA, why do you think Turkish Cypriots have such bad memories of RoC?

[mehmet]

I quote from a book about the 1950 referundum,

''the signatures in favour of Enosis were openly displayed in every parish church and the penalty for not signing was excommunication''.

This is from a book 'Cyprus: A portrait and an appreciation'.

95.7% voted in favour. We can only assume that this was a referundum Turkish Cypriots were not invited to participate in. This is 1950, 13 years before Makarios tried to remove Turkish Cypriot influence when he got Papadopoulos and some others to rewrite the constitution and make plans to deal with the Turkish Cypriot response to it.

[mehmet]

Makarios has a lot of responsibilty for what happened in Cyprus from 1948 when he became Archbishop. Yet even he before he died started to admit some things. The following is from an interview with Arvid Bryne from a Danishg newspeper.

''I must say that I am not happy, looking back, on how I acted in some cases.....It is in the name of Enosis that Cyprus has benn destroyed......I regret many things and most of all Enosis on my part,,

This was printed on March 12, 1977 in a publication called Dagbladet.

[Piratis]

Even today that 76% of Greek Cypriots voted against in a referendum and people are trying to say that this was not exactly a "no" but it was almost a "yes", or it would be a "yes" with a very minor change etc etc.
In 1950 we were under occupation, and obviously there was no way to organize referenda like today.

In both cases, the will of the great majority of Greek Cypriots is crystal clear. Everything else is just excuses to go against the will of the majority of Cypriots.
And yes, people that go against our democratic and human rights are our enemies, and we have every right to resist, and even wage war against them.

[Bananiot]

I make a note of Piratis's pathetic reply to all facts of history. Again and again he plays the patriotic hand when he runs short of answers. Samuel Johnson wrote that patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel. He must have had piratis in mind!

He says that I am a traitor because I support the enemy. I think, those that hide the truth are destroying our country. We have kept the skeletons in the closet for a long, long time. It's time we came out clean my friends and there is no better way to go about it by shedding light on our history's darkest side. In this way we can understand the past and formulate the future. There are forces on both sides that think like this and these forces will resist the sorry nationalists and chauvinists who have thrown Cyprus into the abyss. We deserve a better life and it is possible to get it. So much hinges on AKEL. if this party finds it's true self and breaks the umbilical cord with Papadopoulos, things will happen. Sooner than later. Anastasiades has shown immence maturity an he is to be congratulated, but AKEL is the key factor and litterary the future of a free and united Cyprus is resting on Christofia's shoulders.

[Piratis]

What facts of history? If for you whatever the politis newspaper writes is a fact of history then I am really sorry about you.

You are a traitor because:
1) You said that you wished Cyprus was under occupation by the British even today. This alone makes you a traitor.

2) You work against the wish of the majority, by promoting false information that you claim are "historic facts" to intentionally help our enemies. Even if you believed that you knew history better than the rest of us, you should have tried to convince us, and not stab your own country in the back by promoting such ideas online.

Anyways, you can scream and shout as much as you want. We have democracy. AKEL and DISI can decide whatever they want. The final decision belongs to us, and by 'us' in this case I am referring to the great majority of Greek Cypriots part of which I am and you are not.(and if you keep the same attitude you will never be).
I too voted AKEL last parliamentary elections, like most of my family. If you thought that all AKEL supporters are sheep that will follow whatever Chrisophias tells them you are wrong. Such people do exist, but they are not the majority.

[mehmet]

In 1950 the Greek Orthodox Church was not interested in the views of Turkish Cypriots, in 2004 one bishop says voting yes will send you to hell.
From what you say I and every Turkish Cypriot is your enemy because oppose what you say is your democratic and human right. As well, Greek Cypriopts that disagree with you are your enemy because they don't agree with your point of view. Is this your idea of democracy? To lable people traitors and enemies for having opinions that are not shared by the majority.

Facts are facts, if you dispute them say so loud and clear and show us reasons why. Your comments about 'stab in the back' are pathetic. Have you nothing intelligent with which to refute facts of history? Is making emotional statements and labelling people enemies the best you can do?
Tell me, where do you want your private discussion with other Greek Cypriots to take place as you clearly feel uncomfortable with debating with people on this forum. Whatr forum is there where only Greek Cypriots participate in trying to resolve Cyprus problem, and when you have resolved it let the rest of us know what your solution is if you don't wish to have debate on thgis forum.

[mehmet]

Piratis, here are some more facts of history you may call me an enemy
for repeating,

This is from a speech Makarios made

''the realisation of our (Greek Cypriot) hopes is not complete under the Zurich and London Agreements.....the glorious liberation struggle, whose fitth anniversary we celebrate today has secured for us advanced bastions and impregnable strongholds for our independence. From these we will continue the struggle to complete victory''

This was said on April 1st, 1960, before independence.

This was the man who was recognised internationally as leader of all Cypriots (even the ones he publicly called the enemy two years later).

Instead of complete vicory his policies and leadership led to complete division.