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[insan]

"1- Basic principles of ROT envisage a modernization through a westernization process. The fact is that EU is not what it used to was. EU with it's rapidly aging and degenerating population is going through a disastrous collapse. "

Really?

The UK ppopulation for example is predicted to increase to 70 million by 2030. Immigration but also higher birth rates will cause this.

Governments throughout the EU are incentivising people to have more children by giving them practical support, such as free childcare, tax incentives, longer maternity and paternity leave that is paid and so on. Over time this will have a big impact on birth rates and in fact it is doing so already.

Most statistics show a decline up to 2006. The UK is now 1.95 births per woman which is close to the 2.1 births per woman that is required to sustain the population. France I think has the highest birthrate in Europe and Germany one of the lowest, but incentives are in place now to change this.

Its not all doom and gloom for the EU just yet!

The EU average of fertility rate is 1.47 which is lower than the required 2.0 to atleast replace the population if not increase. On the other hand, drug usage and alcohol consumption r also in rising trends among especially youth and whole EU society in general.

Even if incentives urge people of EU have more children at least 2.0 rate to replace the population, the so-called European life style will still constitute a threat on raising healthy and promising new EU generations that r required to maintain firstly the existence of their own country and in general the existence and dynamics of EU.

When u take into consideration the higher fertility rate of the muslim population of Europe, it's not hard to predict that the next transformation of EU will be a disastrous collapse for the Christians of EU.

Alcohol consumption is also steadily rising in Turkey as this article points out:

Turkey's alcoholic drinks consumption on rise
Turkish people consumed 4.5 million liters of alcoholic beverages more in the first half of this year from the same period of 2008, figures revealed on Monday.

According to figures of Turkey's Regulatory Committee for Tobacco, Tobacco Products and Alcoholic Beverages Market (TAPDK), Turkish people drank 536.2 million liters of alcoholic beverages in the first six months of this year.

It was 453 million liters in the first half of 2006, 465 million in the same period of 2007 and 531.7 million liters in the first half of 2008.

Turkish people preferred mostly beer, raki, wine and vodka. Beer consumption increased to 485.3 million liters, while wine consumption reached 20.9 million liters. However, consumption of Turkey's national drink raki was slightly down to 22.2 million liters.

Sales of alcoholic drinks were made mostly in major cities and summer holiday resorts of Turkey. Number of tourists visiting Turkey also showed drastic rise since 2006. Number of tourists was up 6.5 million in 2008 from 19.8 million in 2006.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... -rise.html

The idea that somehow Turkish society is free of any type of vice is laughable.

as Turkish youth becomes increasingly westernized the problems that plague many European societies E.g. alcoholism, drug abuse etc will affect Turkey too, in fact it has already begun happening there.

also so what if the birth rate amongst Muslim migrants in the EU is higher than the EU average? Much of the "Muslim" youth in Europe can hardly be described as devout. Most are westernized to the point where most of them would never be able to integrate back into the country of their ancestors origin.

Yes, alcohol consumption is on the rise in Turkey too but she still ranks number 145 and almost all EU countries r in top 40.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... onsumption

As for what's the situation of muslims in Europe here r some statistical tables showing islamic idendity is on the rise in most EU countries and most Europeans consider the rising islamic idendity as worrying.














http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=254

[Paphitis]

Its only natural to be concerned with Muslim Migration because they keep wanting to blow things up...

Not a good way to make friends.

[Tim Drayton]

Insan, would you not agree that the 'rise of Islamic identity' of which you speak is far more a reaction to the prejudice, racism and social/economic exclusion that these people face, rather than some fundamental desire to return to the faith?

[YFred]

Insan, would you not agree that the 'rise of Islamic identity' of which you speak is far more a reaction to the prejudice, racism and social/economic exclusion that these people face, rather than some fundamental desire to return to the faith?

Add to that the stealing of resources from the third world countries by imposing on them dictators that line their pockets and sell the resources cheaply to the west and you have the problem wrapped up in a take-away pack.

[insan]

Insan, would you not agree that the 'rise of Islamic identity' of which you speak is far more a reaction to the prejudice, racism and social/economic exclusion that these people face, rather than some fundamental desire to return to the faith?

It has a big impact on rise of islamic idendity, I think but modern considerations of islam all around the world, increasing number of convertions to islam also should have a very huge impact on it.

[Paphitis]

Insan, would you not agree that the 'rise of Islamic identity' of which you speak is far more a reaction to the prejudice, racism and social/economic exclusion that these people face, rather than some fundamental desire to return to the faith?

In my opinion, the rise of Islam is not the issue, or is a major consideration with the prejudice they face.

I have ample proof that this prejudice stems from the fear of the unknown, and because of the rise in terrorism.

Australians for instance are probably the least racist these days, but they are as prejudiced as ever against Islamic peoples recently, only because 5 Muslims were recently arrested as terrorists suspects as their terrorist plots were uncovered by security agencies. All other races don't seem to have any problem here, but Muslims are as isolated as ever until this latest debacle blows over at least.

So the 'racism' is self inflicted....

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/ ... 724867.htm

[Tim Drayton]

Insan, would you not agree that the 'rise of Islamic identity' of which you speak is far more a reaction to the prejudice, racism and social/economic exclusion that these people face, rather than some fundamental desire to return to the faith?

In my opinion, the rise of Islam is not the issue, or is a major consideration with the prejudice they face.

I have ample proof that this prejudice stems from the fear of the unknown, and because of the rise in terrorism.

Australians for instance are probably the least racist these days, but they are as prejudiced as ever against Islamic peoples recently, only because 5 Muslims were recently arrested as terrorists suspects as their terrorist plots were uncovered by security agencies. All other races don't seem to have any problem here, but Muslims are as isolated as ever until this latest debacle blows over at least.

So the 'racism' is self inflicted....

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/ ... 724867.htm

I am actually saying that the rise of an 'Islamic identity' is the consequence and not the cause of this kind of social marginalisation we are witnessing in parts of Europe, if not elsewhere.

[YFred]

Insan, would you not agree that the 'rise of Islamic identity' of which you speak is far more a reaction to the prejudice, racism and social/economic exclusion that these people face, rather than some fundamental desire to return to the faith?

In my opinion, the rise of Islam is not the issue, or is a major consideration with the prejudice they face.

I have ample proof that this prejudice stems from the fear of the unknown, and because of the rise in terrorism.

Australians for instance are probably the least racist these days, but they are as prejudiced as ever against Islamic peoples recently, only because 5 Muslims were recently arrested as terrorists suspects as their terrorist plots were uncovered by security agencies. All other races don't seem to have any problem here, but Muslims are as isolated as ever until this latest debacle blows over at least.

So the 'racism' is self inflicted....

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/ ... 724867.htm

I am actually saying that the rise of an 'Islamic identity' is the consequence and not the cause of this kind of social marginalisation we are witnessing in parts of Europe, if not elsewhere.

I hope you are not expecting Bafiti to understand the difference.

[Paphitis]

Insan, would you not agree that the 'rise of Islamic identity' of which you speak is far more a reaction to the prejudice, racism and social/economic exclusion that these people face, rather than some fundamental desire to return to the faith?

In my opinion, the rise of Islam is not the issue, or is a major consideration with the prejudice they face.

I have ample proof that this prejudice stems from the fear of the unknown, and because of the rise in terrorism.

Australians for instance are probably the least racist these days, but they are as prejudiced as ever against Islamic peoples recently, only because 5 Muslims were recently arrested as terrorists suspects as their terrorist plots were uncovered by security agencies. All other races don't seem to have any problem here, but Muslims are as isolated as ever until this latest debacle blows over at least.

So the 'racism' is self inflicted....

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/ ... 724867.htm

I am actually saying that the rise of an 'Islamic identity' is the consequence and not the cause of this kind of social marginalisation we are witnessing in parts of Europe, if not elsewhere.

And I stated that the rise of 'Islamic Identity' is not the issue!