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[insan]

...if Turkey keeps looking at West and East simultaneously but on the other hand leads the establishment of an Asian Union.

Turkey is going to lead Asia? In what, hashish production?

There r some strong signs, attempts and developments show that under leading role of Turkey, a multifacetted Asian Union can be established in 2 to 5 years time. On the other hand there r attempts and intentions of Japan and China to establish an Asian Union.

??? Insan, you're out of touch with what commercial leadership is all about...

First and foremost you need to have the financial muscle, second the infrastructure, third the connections, and finally the know-how!

Turkey has none of the above and compared to the REAL Asian powerhouses, she's a third-world tossing.

Turkey has all the ingredients to be a regional powerhouse. She is an emerging powerhouse, energy broker and piece broker in her region. In 2 to 5 years time I expect she will have had the required financial muscle, infratructure, connections and know-how at least on a beginer level... None of the powerhouses of the world immadiately became powerhouses. Stage by stage she can reach the desired level. So, GR; u better start investing your hopes into Asian countries for a better world. I hope so.

[Tim Drayton]

...if Turkey keeps looking at West and East simultaneously but on the other hand leads the establishment of an Asian Union.

Turkey is going to lead Asia? In what, hashish production?

There r some strong signs, attempts and developments show that under leading role of Turkey, a multifacetted Asian Union can be established in 2 to 5 years time. On the other hand there r attempts and intentions of Japan and China to establish an Asian Union.

I note with interest a report in a Turkish business newspaper that Russia, Iran and Turkey are planning to introduce a common currency which will be used in those countries and the whole of the Russian Federation.

http://www.dunyagazetesi.com.tr/haber.a ... 140&cDate=

That's the way it should be Tim... EU does not have a vital importance for Turkey...

I do not entirely agree with that view, either. The customs union between Turkey and the EU is permanent and is not contingent on eventual full membership. Turkey will continue to have very strong ties with the EU whatever happens.

But if they are planning a common currency, does that not suggest that Turkey has given up on joining Euro, Or are they planning to include Russia and Iran into the EU too?

There is no necessary connection between being in the customs union and adopting the euro.

[wyoming cowboy]

Kemal Ataturk said on the anniversary of the formation of the Turkish Republic...."Tho Ottomans failed because they turned away from Europe, Turkey will never do that" The Turks no full well that no compromise on Cyprus will in effect mean the destruction and break up of their Republic

[Get Real!]

...if Turkey keeps looking at West and East simultaneously but on the other hand leads the establishment of an Asian Union.

Turkey is going to lead Asia? In what, hashish production?

There r some strong signs, attempts and developments show that under leading role of Turkey, a multifacetted Asian Union can be established in 2 to 5 years time. On the other hand there r attempts and intentions of Japan and China to establish an Asian Union.

??? Insan, you're out of touch with what commercial leadership is all about...

First and foremost you need to have the financial muscle, second the infrastructure, third the connections, and finally the know-how!

Turkey has none of the above and compared to the REAL Asian powerhouses, she's a third-world tossing.

Turkey has all the ingredients to be a regional powerhouse. She is an emerging powerhouse, energy broker and piece broker in her region. In 2 to 5 years time I expect she will have had the required financial muscle, infratructure, connections and know-how at least on a beginer level... None of the powerhouses of the world immadiately became powerhouses. Stage by stage she can reach the desired level. So, GR; u better start investing your hopes into Asian countries for a better world. I hope so.

What can I say Insan… Turkey is not even in Asia!

But anyway, the reality is that Turkey is in debt up to her neck, she can’t even convince the rest of the world that she is more significant than a mini country like Cyprus, and she’s about to be tossed into an embarrassing European rejection.

I’m afraid you suffer from the common Turkish delusions of grandeur when there’s nothing there…

[insan]

Kemal Ataturk said on the anniversary of the formation of the Turkish Republic...."Tho Ottomans failed because they turned away from Europe, Turkey will never do that" The Turks no full well that no compromise on Cyprus will in effect mean the destruction and break up of their Republic

I've never heard abt Ataturk said that but if he said something like that; that was then... under the circumstances of those days. Compromise on Cyprus issue has never meant for TCs to accept minority status and Turkey force TCs to accept it. Under no circumstances TCs and Turkey will support Greek-GC solution thesis.

[insan]

...if Turkey keeps looking at West and East simultaneously but on the other hand leads the establishment of an Asian Union.

Turkey is going to lead Asia? In what, hashish production?

There r some strong signs, attempts and developments show that under leading role of Turkey, a multifacetted Asian Union can be established in 2 to 5 years time. On the other hand there r attempts and intentions of Japan and China to establish an Asian Union.

??? Insan, you're out of touch with what commercial leadership is all about...

First and foremost you need to have the financial muscle, second the infrastructure, third the connections, and finally the know-how!

Turkey has none of the above and compared to the REAL Asian powerhouses, she's a third-world tossing.

Turkey has all the ingredients to be a regional powerhouse. She is an emerging powerhouse, energy broker and piece broker in her region. In 2 to 5 years time I expect she will have had the required financial muscle, infratructure, connections and know-how at least on a beginer level... None of the powerhouses of the world immadiately became powerhouses. Stage by stage she can reach the desired level. So, GR; u better start investing your hopes into Asian countries for a better world. I hope so.

What can I say Insan… Turkey is not even in Asia!

But anyway, the reality is that Turkey is in debt up to her neck, she can’t even convince the rest of the world that she is more significant than a mini country like Cyprus, and she’s about to be tossed into an embarrassing European rejection.

I’m afraid you suffer from the common Turkish delusions of grandeur when there’s nothing there…

Sorry to say this but u r still under heavy trauma of Ottoman rule and Turco stereotyping that don't allow u diggest anything good abt Turks. Under such circumstances u r considered as a basket case.

[-mikkie2-]

"1- Basic principles of ROT envisage a modernization through a westernization process. The fact is that EU is not what it used to was. EU with it's rapidly aging and degenerating population is going through a disastrous collapse. "

Really?

The UK ppopulation for example is predicted to increase to 70 million by 2030. Immigration but also higher birth rates will cause this.

Governments throughout the EU are incentivising people to have more children by giving them practical support, such as free childcare, tax incentives, longer maternity and paternity leave that is paid and so on. Over time this will have a big impact on birth rates and in fact it is doing so already.

Most statistics show a decline up to 2006. The UK is now 1.95 births per woman which is close to the 2.1 births per woman that is required to sustain the population. France I think has the highest birthrate in Europe and Germany one of the lowest, but incentives are in place now to change this.

Its not all doom and gloom for the EU just yet!

[insan]

"1- Basic principles of ROT envisage a modernization through a westernization process. The fact is that EU is not what it used to was. EU with it's rapidly aging and degenerating population is going through a disastrous collapse. "

Really?

The UK ppopulation for example is predicted to increase to 70 million by 2030. Immigration but also higher birth rates will cause this.

Governments throughout the EU are incentivising people to have more children by giving them practical support, such as free childcare, tax incentives, longer maternity and paternity leave that is paid and so on. Over time this will have a big impact on birth rates and in fact it is doing so already.

Most statistics show a decline up to 2006. The UK is now 1.95 births per woman which is close to the 2.1 births per woman that is required to sustain the population. France I think has the highest birthrate in Europe and Germany one of the lowest, but incentives are in place now to change this.

Its not all doom and gloom for the EU just yet!

The EU average of fertility rate is 1.47 which is lower than the required 2.0 to atleast replace the population if not increase. On the other hand, drug usage and alcohol consumption r also in rising trends among especially youth and whole EU society in general.

Even if incentives urge people of EU have more children at least 2.0 rate to replace the population, the so-called European life style will still constitute a threat on raising healthy and promising new EU generations that r required to maintain firstly the existence of their own country and in general the existence and dynamics of EU.

When u take into consideration the higher fertility rate of the muslim population of Europe, it's not hard to predict that the next transformation of EU will be a disastrous collapse for the Christians of EU.

[-mikkie2-]

"Even if incentives urge people of EU have more children at least 2.0 rate to replace the population, the so-called European life style will still constitute a threat on raising healthy and promising new EU generations that r required to maintain firstly the existence of their own country and in general the existence and dynamics of EU."

So Turkey to the rescue then whith its young, dynamic, highly educated, drug and alcohol free population!

What a load of drivel you speak Insan.

You make it sound as though the streets of EU capitals are strewn with youths high on drugs and alcohol causing mayhem and growing up to be useless members of scociety! You pick up bad news stories and tar everyone with the same brush!

That is not really the case and you shouldn't believe 100% what you read in the press and the news. Unfortunately, news always picks up on the bad things and not on the good things. Thats human nature unfortunately.

The 'so called' European lifestyle is something to be enjoyed - have you visited other countries other than Turkey, Insan? Have you been to see and experience these things yourself?

[Get Real!]

"1- Basic principles of ROT envisage a modernization through a westernization process. The fact is that EU is not what it used to was. EU with it's rapidly aging and degenerating population is going through a disastrous collapse. "

Really?

The UK ppopulation for example is predicted to increase to 70 million by 2030. Immigration but also higher birth rates will cause this.

Governments throughout the EU are incentivising people to have more children by giving them practical support, such as free childcare, tax incentives, longer maternity and paternity leave that is paid and so on. Over time this will have a big impact on birth rates and in fact it is doing so already.

Most statistics show a decline up to 2006. The UK is now 1.95 births per woman which is close to the 2.1 births per woman that is required to sustain the population. France I think has the highest birthrate in Europe and Germany one of the lowest, but incentives are in place now to change this.

Its not all doom and gloom for the EU just yet!

The EU average of fertility rate is 1.47 which is lower than the required 2.0 to atleast replace the population if not increase. On the other hand, drug usage and alcohol consumption r also in rising trends among especially youth and whole EU society in general.

Even if incentives urge people of EU have more children at least 2.0 rate to replace the population, the so-called European life style will still constitute a threat on raising healthy and promising new EU generations that r required to maintain firstly the existence of their own country and in general the existence and dynamics of EU.

When u take into consideration the higher fertility rate of the muslim population of Europe, it's not hard to predict that the next transformation of EU will be a disastrous collapse for the Christians of EU.

The US is a good example of a country where about half its population is either, a drug addict, a prostitute, an alcoholic, a homeless person, a sexual pervert, or some other kind of weirdo, yet the country has thus far been financially very successful!

In other words, social trends like the above are apparently not an indicator to a country’s financial/influential potential.

Insan, give up on your Turkic dreams because the Turkic people are on the whole the most useless on the planet and you will be bitterly disappointed!