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[Linichka]

"Bump up. Great post my brother."

Assuming the reference is to Simon, I fully agree.

[Paphitis]

So many "martyrs" blowing themselves up for the religion of peace must find Allah experiencing a shortage of virgins for rewarding his brave warriors. By now, they must be receiving virgin rabbits. Ah well, maybe they'll appreciate a change from goats and donkeys.

Such compelling condemnation of every action which takes the lives of the innocent whenever a 'Suicide Bomber' demonstrates his/her determination (at the cost of his /her own life) to resist oppression.

YET.

Not one protest at the murderous actions of the American, British and Israeli military forces which have (and are) slaughtered (slaughtering) many thousands MORE of the innocent in their campaigns of violence against those who do not wish to adopt their decadent ideologies.

How base of members to constantly ridicule the superior tenets of those who only seek to follow their traditions without the unlawful interference of society's which have only military might to commend their existence.

How significant that the tenets of Islam has seen such growth in recent years and YES, there are many thousands among THOSE faithful who are prepared to sacrifice their lives in order to resist oppression, at least (in death) they have a dignity (according to their beliefs) that WE of the West can NEVER achieve.

I wonder how many members (particularly among the most vociferous) would have the courage to sacrifice THEIR lives for that which they believe in.

Without being 'Ordered' to of course.

I really do not wish to enter into a long drawn out debate with you on this, but I am compelled to reply, as quite frankly I am dismayed by the content of your post. A very eloquent writer you are, but I am afraid severely lacking in many other departments (in my humble opinion of course ). Let us take each of your paragraphs in turn:

Such compelling condemnation of every action which takes the lives of the innocent whenever a 'Suicide Bomber' demonstrates his/her determination (at the cost of his /her own life) to resist oppression.

Firstly, many suicide bombers are/were not blowing themselves up to resist the occupation (or 'oppression'), especially in Iraq. Even the vast majority of the British troops that are dying in Helmand for instance are killed by IEDs. Most of these suicide bombers (especially in Iraq) were actually blowing themselves up in markets filled with women and children, areas packed with civilians, even mosques, in revenge attacks on certain religious communities or rival tribes. It is a type of power struggle with the intention of destabilising the country.

Furthermore, the Taliban are not liked nor supported by most in Afghanistan. This is not a case of ISAF occupying Afghanistan and the majority of Afghans resisting, it is a case of the Taliban (a brutal oppressive regime) trying to regain power in Afghanistan, and the average Afghan does not know who to put his or her trust in, for fear of later reprisals if he or she chooses the wrong side. Therefore, your black and white over simplistic view of invader/resister is a little unsophisticated and jejune.

Not one protest at the murderous actions of the American, British and Israeli military forces which have (and are) slaughtered (slaughtering) many thousands MORE of the innocent in their campaigns of violence against those who do not wish to adopt their decadent ideologies.

I must say, that I have yet to read you condemn or protest at the evil deeds of the suicide bombers, rather you apparently support their struggle, and continuously condemn the British, Americans and Israelis, so you can hardly accuse others of one-sided posts. You refer to the West's decadent ideologies, without any mention of the reprehensible and malevolent dogma of those they face.

How base of members to constantly ridicule the superior tenets of those who only seek to follow their traditions without the unlawful interference of society's which have only military might to commend their existence.

This is where your post borders on the ridiculous if I may say so. Superior tenets? Of the Taliban? Or perhaps we should broaden this to fundamentalist Islamic states in general, like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Syria etc. Let's take the Taliban, a regime which does not believe women should be allowed to drive or even be educated at all? That believes limbs should be amputated for crimes not all that serious, such as petty theft? That believes a man should be able to starve his wife if she refuses sex? That support the actions and aims of Al Qaeda? That would allow training camps for people to become terrorists and kill innocent civilians intentionally? That does not believe in democracy, free speech, the rule of law, human rights, or any other civil code of conduct for that matter? That believes a woman's word is worth only one quarter of that of a man, and would therefore need four male witnesses to prove any claim of rape, otherwise she should be stoned for committing adultery? Now I am not for a single second suggesting the West is perfect, far from it, but to argue the Taliban, or other states that impose strict Sharia law, have 'superior tenets' to the West is quite frankly absurd, and is a sad reflection on your own personality.

How significant that the tenets of Islam has seen such growth in recent years and YES, there are many thousands among THOSE faithful who are prepared to sacrifice their lives in order to resist oppression, at least (in death) they have a dignity (according to their beliefs) that WE of the West can NEVER achieve.

Islam is growing at such a pace because of the higher birth rates amongst Muslims due to a lack of birth control, the fact is more people are actually converting to Christianity than Islam. Not that this really matters, because the size of a religion is not necessarily indicative of its "superior tenets" as you would perhaps like to believe. If it were so, Buddhism would have many more followers than what it currently does.

Further, why can't we in the West achieve dignity in our sacrifice I wonder? All those British and American men (and women) killed have no dignity in your eyes? I wonder why. Your views are typical of an Al Qaeda sympathising West hater. It comes through in every one of your posts. No doubt that you believe because your views differ from the mainstream, somehow you are a superior being, who has attained a higher level of intelligence which the masses of Sun and Star readers can never muster. Unfortunately, the truth is rather different, for you are no more enlightened than they are, because you are blinded by arrogance (IMHO of course ).

I ask you, if the West is so bad, why don't you live in one of these superior Muslim countries where a woman is not allowed outside her home without a male accompanying her, I am sure you would be much more contented with such "superior tenets". You never know your luck, perhaps you could even muster the courage to receive your 72 virgins, and ensure that the ISAF's task is just that little more arduous.

I wonder how many members (particularly among the most vociferous) would have the courage to sacrifice THEIR lives for that which they believe in.

What makes you think you have the right or insight to challenge any member's courage or dignity, especially when you hardly know any of them. Many countries in the West have proven their courage over many years, with people fighting valiant causes and sacrificing their lives, struggling for a cause far more nobler than the forced subservience to Sharia law, which is what the Taliban are aiming for.

Without being 'Ordered' to of course. :wink

Britain and the US have fully professional armed forces. No member is forced to join, and every member understands the possibility of going to war. Their sacrifice is voluntary, and for you to play these peoples' achievements down is quite aversive.

Bump up. Great post, my brother.

Good to see some rationality every so often...

He sure as hell gave it to GR!

[Get Real!]

Then you come waging into the debate not making any sense at all - as per usual, blinded by hatred. You wouldn't be GR if there wasn't a conspiracy theory somewhere, no matter how ridiculous.

What conspiracy theories and green horses you 2-cent jackass? There’s 1.5 million people dead in Iraq alone, as a result of the illegal US/UK invasion & occupation and you’re trying to justify these criminal murderers with pitiful excuses?

Do you understand international law or are you just too stupid to figure out that it applies to ALL nations irrespective of their religion or culture?

And then you’ve got the nerve to complain about the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus?

Or did you think that the US/UK war criminals will make an exception and grant YOU justice while fucking Afghanistan and Iraq from behind, because of your two-standard corrupt support?

Re moucho tis dekaras eisai exibnos bolla nomizis?

[Linichka]

If you're so certain of your stance and sources, GR, why do you grow shrill and resort to vicious insults when met with disagreement?

[Paphitis]

Then you come waging into the debate not making any sense at all - as per usual, blinded by hatred. You wouldn't be GR if there wasn't a conspiracy theory somewhere, no matter how ridiculous.

Get Real wrote:

What conspiracy theories and green horses you 2-cent jackass? There’s 1.5 million people dead in Iraq alone, as a result of the illegal US/UK invasion & occupation and you’re trying to justify these criminal murderers with pitiful excuses?

Really?

According to whom?

And are these 1.5 million dead purely as a result of US/UK intervention, or are they as a result of an insurgent tribal power struggle?

Get Real wrote:

Do you understand international law or are you just too stupid to figure out that it applies to ALL nations irrespective of their religion or culture?

What international law do you refer to?

Surely, the superpowers manipulate this law to suit!

Get Real wrote:

And then you’ve got the nerve to complain about the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus?

To solve the occupation you require selfish political leadership.

Do you have what it takes?

Get Real wrote:

Or did you think that the US/UK war criminals will make an exception and grant YOU justice while fucking Afghanistan and Iraq from behind, because of your two-standard corrupt support?

Give me the US/UK 'war criminals' any day as opposed to the Taliban. The Afghanis seem to agree.

Furthermore, this war won't end until the Taliban are no more. And good riddance I say.

Get Real wrote:

Re moucho tis dekaras eisai exibnos bolla nomizis?

This is for you....

[Floda]

Well. I seem to have attracted a fine measure of criticism from various sources as a result of my views, the general consensus of opinion would appear to be that all goes well with the campaigns of religious suppression, armed aggression and general oppression in those regions under attack from the 'Courageous' Western forces.

Sadly, THAT is precisely what happens to the opinions of the masses when their only source of information is what is fed to them through those channels which dictate what they should be made aware of, it saves the general public the trouble of THINKING for themselves and is oft evidenced by the many sprinklings of well known sayings and cliche's which those wishing to express themselves include in their responses.

As to myself, knowing that the greater part of what politicians spout is invariably neither truth nor fact, that the only REAL interest is SELF interest in whatever subject they deign to spout in, I choose to sift through the news and seek out the possible insincerities.

Once I locate a subject which captures my interest, I do a little research, make contact with people who are directly affected by the matters reported and, lo and behold, too often discover that a certain amount of misinformation has been circulated in order to either conceal the truth or to cover up some act of malevolence (and I am certain that the Iraq fiasco confirms the latter) by they who are supposedly the guardians of the people's welfare.

It is very easy to quote that which has previously been quoted, the habit of doing so is detrimental to the intelligence of the one who participates in such practise since they are in danger of deluding themselves into thinking that the quote is of their own making. I much prefer to think for myself and I make no apology for stating that which I believe to be the certain facts which are hidden behind the daily NEWS.

The Yanks ARE getting their arses kicked (if not, why are they now calling for thousands more troops and vast amounts of airborne and ground ordnance ?), they WILL fail in their objectives (already apparent in Baghdad where the cracks are already appearing in their 'Secure Zones'), they WILL continue to issue their bulletins which report how well they are doing, whilst the bodies of their unfortunate soldiers and the vast numbers of their wounded and severely traumatised (some totally insane) troops are smuggled home. (God help them all).

As to the Brits, they have always been the laughing stock among THINKING people, they are the easiest people to fool (especially in politics) they are now totally convinced that their lives are in constant danger and have been cajoled into believing that their young sons and daughters, unable to find work and thus enrolled in the armed forces, can protect them and clean up the mess their lying politicians have created.

They too. like the Yanks, will get their arses kicked. (God help them also).

I will not mention the Israelis since it would appear that the mere mention of them stirs up a hornet's nest and I think there are nests enough in the regions which are occupied by them. (God help them too).

[purdey]

You always churn out a good read Floda. Nice to see you back and on form.
Regards

[Floda]

You always churn out a good read Floda. Nice to see you back and on form.
Regards

And best wishes to you and yours Purdey, thank you for making me feel a little more 'Comfortable' (as we say when our pockets are a'jingle)

[Free Spirit]

...in Iraq and Afghanistan, where its actualy the muslims that are killing muslims - there's your evidence.

The only evidence I see from your sweeping unfounded statement is that you’re an idiot...

Speaking as an outsider what do you think of the human race?

[Get Real!]

...in Iraq and Afghanistan, where its actualy the muslims that are killing muslims - there's your evidence.

The only evidence I see from your sweeping unfounded statement is that you’re an idiot...

Speaking as an outsider what do you think of the human race?

One thing is for sure... you don't belong in it!