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Christian woman faces death for blasphemy

By NBC's Carol Grisanti and Fakhar ur Rehman

ITTAN WALLI, Pakistan – In early November, in the dusty city of Sheikhupura in Pakistan’s heartland, Asia Bibi, an illiterate Christian woman and mother of five, was sentenced to death by hanging under the country’s blasphemy laws.

Her crime? She allegedly insulted the Prophet Muhammad.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... -blasphemy

If it be mandatory to respect the name of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and punishable by death for insulting his name (or tenets) in a country where such is the Law, how does it become so objectionable if a person who breaks the Law, has to face the consequences meted BY the Law ?.

Jesus Christ insulted nobody, yet suffered a far more horrendous fate than hanging.

I suppose that's very easy to say from the comfort of your own liberal democracy.

You only need one 'mumin' (believer) to make one accusation, and that measns more than the word of a Christian. They are a bunch of idiots who are making a fool of themselves in front of the world. I dare say that the USA is backing the regime that follows such 'dictats'.

[Schnauzer]

Maybe because she was convicted by hearsay only.

OR, maybe she was recognized as a person whose sole intent was to disrupt the local community (or wider following) of a nation where the faith of Islam is adored by millions.

The seeds of discontent (wherever/however planted) must be rooted out if the welfare of those who ARE content is to be preserved.

At the very least, the authorities which have condemned the 'Sinner' (according to THEIR Laws) are prepared to accept that THEY are responsible for exacting the punishment written.

Unlike the Jews, who recently have raised considerable arguments which would suggest that THEY were not responsible for the demise of Jesus Christ.

Leave people to conduct their own affairs in the manner which has suited them for generations, IF there must be interference (or radical changes), at the very least, let it be from a source which has a 'Proven' superior system.

Western culture does little to convince the followers of Islam that they would would be better off adopting the principles of 'Democracy' and Christianity, whilst the hills and valleys of their nations run red with the blood of their fellows, because they will NOT accept the ways of the West. (IMHO)

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Cyprus holds two Pakistanis suspected of extremist links
NICOSIA (updated on: 2010-12-03 16:41:55 PST):

http://www.brecorder.com/news/latest/16383:news.html

Cyprus holds two Pakistanis suspected of extremist links Two Pakistanis have been arrested in Cyprus on suspicion of having links to Islamic groups after a tipoff from a foreign intelligence agency, authorities said on Friday.

Police said the men, in their late 30s, were arrested during a raid on their home in the capital Nicosia on Wednesday morning. Laptops and documents were confiscated for examination.

"The information we have suggests that they are linked to extremist organisations," said police spokesman Michalis Katsounotos. The men had been under surveillance for several weeks.

Police said the men had arrived on the Mediterranean island legally but their residence permits expired three months ago.

Authorities have issued a deportation order against the two, but it has been put on hold while material seized from their home is examined, Katsounotos said.



Copyright Reuters, 2010

[Schnauzer]

Christian woman faces death for blasphemy

By NBC's Carol Grisanti and Fakhar ur Rehman

ITTAN WALLI, Pakistan – In early November, in the dusty city of Sheikhupura in Pakistan’s heartland, Asia Bibi, an illiterate Christian woman and mother of five, was sentenced to death by hanging under the country’s blasphemy laws.

Her crime? She allegedly insulted the Prophet Muhammad.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... -blasphemy

If it be mandatory to respect the name of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and punishable by death for insulting his name (or tenets) in a country where such is the Law, how does it become so objectionable if a person who breaks the Law, has to face the consequences meted BY the Law ?.

Jesus Christ insulted nobody, yet suffered a far more horrendous fate than hanging.

I suppose that's very easy to say from the comfort of your own liberal democracy.

Since you direct your comment in a manner which appears to be something of a rebuff to my own observations, I feel obliged to respond.

Not too sure about the brevity of yours since I cannot quite see the connection between your reference to 'Liberal Democracy' and MY attempt to illustrate the differences between the tenets of other nations.

If one is NOT prepared to accept that the values of others is equal to one's own, then obviously there is no room for debate on the matter and sarcastic or derisive (among other) remarks are the only contribution one can possibly make to any discussion.

I like to think that MY views are based upon that which I have seen and experienced rather than that which I have been told (or have read in the newspapers), recent events in our (as you put it) 'Liberal Democracy' DO seem to pinpoint just how much falsification we are subjected to on a daily basis, OUR Laws are constantly changed in order to satisfy the whims or accommodate the desires (even among the Clergy) of those who find themselves in positions of power.

Other nations are a little more inclined to maintain their 'Tenets', perhaps it is WE who should be learning from THEM. (IMHO)

[Me Ed]

Christian woman faces death for blasphemy

By NBC's Carol Grisanti and Fakhar ur Rehman

ITTAN WALLI, Pakistan – In early November, in the dusty city of Sheikhupura in Pakistan’s heartland, Asia Bibi, an illiterate Christian woman and mother of five, was sentenced to death by hanging under the country’s blasphemy laws.

Her crime? She allegedly insulted the Prophet Muhammad.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... -blasphemy

If it be mandatory to respect the name of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and punishable by death for insulting his name (or tenets) in a country where such is the Law, how does it become so objectionable if a person who breaks the Law, has to face the consequences meted BY the Law ?.

Jesus Christ insulted nobody, yet suffered a far more horrendous fate than hanging.

I suppose that's very easy to say from the comfort of your own liberal democracy.

Since you direct your comment in a manner which appears to be something of a rebuff to my own observations, I feel obliged to respond.

Not too sure about the brevity of yours since I cannot quite see the connection between your reference to 'Liberal Democracy' and MY attempt to illustrate the differences between the tenets of other nations.

If one is NOT prepared to accept that the values of others is equal to one's own, then obviously there is no room for debate on the matter and sarcastic or derisive (among other) remarks are the only contribution one can possibly make to any discussion.

I like to think that MY views are based upon that which I have seen and experienced rather than that which I have been told (or have read in the newspapers), recent events in our (as you put it) 'Liberal Democracy' DO seem to pinpoint just how much falsification we are subjected to on a daily basis, OUR Laws are constantly changed in order to satisfy the whims or accommodate the desires (even among the Clergy) of those who find themselves in positions of power.

Other nations are a little more inclined to maintain their 'Tenets', perhaps it is WE who should be learning from THEM. (IMHO)

So you think its OK to execute apostates in Islamic countries, simply because its the "law of the land" and I should RESPECT these values and think them equal to my own?

I don't think so.

Muslims in the UK are calling for Sharia Law.

Why?

It is because they are not prepared to accept the law of the land or values in the UK are equal to theirs.

[Schnauzer]

Christian woman faces death for blasphemy

By NBC's Carol Grisanti and Fakhar ur Rehman

ITTAN WALLI, Pakistan – In early November, in the dusty city of Sheikhupura in Pakistan’s heartland, Asia Bibi, an illiterate Christian woman and mother of five, was sentenced to death by hanging under the country’s blasphemy laws.

Her crime? She allegedly insulted the Prophet Muhammad.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... -blasphemy

If it be mandatory to respect the name of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and punishable by death for insulting his name (or tenets) in a country where such is the Law, how does it become so objectionable if a person who breaks the Law, has to face the consequences meted BY the Law ?.

Jesus Christ insulted nobody, yet suffered a far more horrendous fate than hanging.

I suppose that's very easy to say from the comfort of your own liberal democracy.

Since you direct your comment in a manner which appears to be something of a rebuff to my own observations, I feel obliged to respond.

Not too sure about the brevity of yours since I cannot quite see the connection between your reference to 'Liberal Democracy' and MY attempt to illustrate the differences between the tenets of other nations.

If one is NOT prepared to accept that the values of others is equal to one's own, then obviously there is no room for debate on the matter and sarcastic or derisive (among other) remarks are the only contribution one can possibly make to any discussion.

I like to think that MY views are based upon that which I have seen and experienced rather than that which I have been told (or have read in the newspapers), recent events in our (as you put it) 'Liberal Democracy' DO seem to pinpoint just how much falsification we are subjected to on a daily basis, OUR Laws are constantly changed in order to satisfy the whims or accommodate the desires (even among the Clergy) of those who find themselves in positions of power.

Other nations are a little more inclined to maintain their 'Tenets', perhaps it is WE who should be learning from THEM. (IMHO)

So you think its OK to execute apostates in Islamic countries, simply because its the "law of the land" and I should RESPECT these values and think them equal to my own?

I don't think so.

Muslims in the UK are calling for Sharia Law.

Why?

It is because they are not prepared to accept the law of the land or values in the UK are equal to theirs.

As to the first part of your response, I neither indicated nor suggested that I consider it OK to execute anybody (Apostate or otherwise), my opinion is that WE of the West are adamantly opposed to the Laws and Tenets of certain nations which are not in tandem with our own.

As to your reference to 'RESPECT' (and we've had this before) YES, the very fact that those who live and abide by the Laws of THEIR culture and are showing 'RESPECT' (in it's true meaning) for their culture, are worthy of 'RESPECT' from those outside of it, if only for the fact that they are showing such 'RESPECT'.

As to 'Equality', I fear that the examples of 'RESPECT' for the Laws and 'Tenets' of the West, shown by WE of the West, are far less evident than those displayed by the followers of Islam, whether Islam be right or wrong is a moot point BUT, there is no doubt that the followers of Islam have far greater fervour than WE Christians, the lack of tolerance to those of other faiths is a true testimony to that fact, the lack of observance to the Laws and Tenets of Western societies BY it's populations, another.

IF one culture (or society) wishes to make changes to another, it should do so by 'Example'.

The 'Example' the Western powers are displaying at the moment deserve little emulation. (IMHO)

As to the second part of your response, the 'Muslims' would prefer 'Sharia Laws' in the U.K. and are not prepared to accept that the values and Laws there are 'Equal' to their own.

Naturally they would NOT, since 'Sharia Law' is by far superior in ensuring that the conduct of those governed by it, maintain the 'RESPECT' demanded of it. (IMCO)

Abu Hamza bears stark testimony to the folly of stealing other people's property, a lesson for us ALL perhaps.

[denizaksulu]

Christian woman faces death for blasphemy

By NBC's Carol Grisanti and Fakhar ur Rehman

ITTAN WALLI, Pakistan – In early November, in the dusty city of Sheikhupura in Pakistan’s heartland, Asia Bibi, an illiterate Christian woman and mother of five, was sentenced to death by hanging under the country’s blasphemy laws.

Her crime? She allegedly insulted the Prophet Muhammad.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... -blasphemy

If it be mandatory to respect the name of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and punishable by death for insulting his name (or tenets) in a country where such is the Law, how does it become so objectionable if a person who breaks the Law, has to face the consequences meted BY the Law ?.

Jesus Christ insulted nobody, yet suffered a far more horrendous fate than hanging.

I suppose that's very easy to say from the comfort of your own liberal democracy.

Since you direct your comment in a manner which appears to be something of a rebuff to my own observations, I feel obliged to respond.

Not too sure about the brevity of yours since I cannot quite see the connection between your reference to 'Liberal Democracy' and MY attempt to illustrate the differences between the tenets of other nations.

If one is NOT prepared to accept that the values of others is equal to one's own, then obviously there is no room for debate on the matter and sarcastic or derisive (among other) remarks are the only contribution one can possibly make to any discussion.

I like to think that MY views are based upon that which I have seen and experienced rather than that which I have been told (or have read in the newspapers), recent events in our (as you put it) 'Liberal Democracy' DO seem to pinpoint just how much falsification we are subjected to on a daily basis, OUR Laws are constantly changed in order to satisfy the whims or accommodate the desires (even among the Clergy) of those who find themselves in positions of power.

Other nations are a little more inclined to maintain their 'Tenets', perhaps it is WE who should be learning from THEM. (IMHO)

So you think its OK to execute apostates in Islamic countries, simply because its the "law of the land" and I should RESPECT these values and think them equal to my own?

I don't think so.

Muslims in the UK are calling for Sharia Law.

Why?

It is because they are not prepared to accept the law of the land or values in the UK are equal to theirs.

If I may butt in; It is should be 'fanatical/extremist Muslims in the UK are calling for Sharia Law'.


The average Moslem doesnt give a piastre. Safer not to generalise.

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Cyprus holds two Pakistanis suspected of extremist links
NICOSIA (updated on: 2010-12-03 16:41:55 PST):

http://www.brecorder.com/news/latest/16383:news.html

Cyprus holds two Pakistanis suspected of extremist links Two Pakistanis have been arrested in Cyprus on suspicion of having links to Islamic groups after a tipoff from a foreign intelligence agency, authorities said on Friday.

Police said the men, in their late 30s, were arrested during a raid on their home in the capital Nicosia on Wednesday morning. Laptops and documents were confiscated for examination.

"The information we have suggests that they are linked to extremist organisations," said police spokesman Michalis Katsounotos. The men had been under surveillance for several weeks.

Police said the men had arrived on the Mediterranean island legally but their residence permits expired three months ago.

Authorities have issued a deportation order against the two, but it has been put on hold while material seized from their home is examined, Katsounotos said.



Copyright Reuters, 2010

Oh no... WTF they doing in CY??

Why do we always end up with the crud of humanity?
We've got 60000 armed radical cockroaches in the North as it is.

[Schnauzer]

If I may butt in; It is should be 'fanatical/extremist Muslims in the UK are calling for Sharia Law'.


The average Moslem doesnt give a piastre. Safer not to generalise.

Surely the focus of discussion, if there be willingness to recognize that there are various opinions on it, should be on the effectiveness of 'Sharia Law' and those who abide by such, as opposed to the effectiveness of the 'Secular (and other) Laws' We of the West are required to abide by.

Whereas the 'Sharia Laws' are viewed by US as harsh, they are written into the lives of the people that believe in them and rely on them for guidance.

The observance of those laws, ensures that the moral standards of the people who obey them are following the tenets of the written word of the Qur'an and the teachings of Islamic scholars.

Non compliance can result in serious punishments which are abhorrent to US. (and no fun for those who are subjected to them).

OUR Laws are somewhat different, they are subject to constant changes, they ARE designed to ensure that our conduct should also be morally acceptable and there are punishments for failure to comply.

BUT, the punishments are often (FUN for those subjected to them).

So the question IS, "Which is the more effective".

A cursory glance at the crime figures of the Western societies in comparison to those of the East (particularly where 'Sharia Law' is practised) leaves ME in no doubt.

Others may have different opinions, at least let us discuss them in a civilized manner.

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Hardline Pakistan cleric offers reward to kill Christian woman

By Faris Ali

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - A hardline, pro-Taliban Pakistani Muslim cleric Friday offered a reward for anyone who kills a Christian woman sentenced to death by a court on charges of insulting Islam.

The sentence against Asia Bibi has renewed debate about Pakistan's blasphemy law which critics say is used to persecute religious minorities, fan religious extremism and settle personal scores. Non-Muslim minorities account roughly 4 percent of Pakistan's about 170 million population.

Maulana Yousef Qureshi, the imam of a major mosque in the northwestern city of Peshawar, offered a $5,800 (3,700 pounds) reward and warned the government against any move to abolish or change the blasphemy law.

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... E120101203