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At least 20 people have been killed in a suspected suicide bombing in the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi.

Police told the BBC a bomber blew himself up in the car park of a hotel. More than 40 people were injured, including women and children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8337211.stm

[Me Ed]

Innocent civilians eye witness accounts from Wednesday's devastating bomb:

Witnesses to Wednesday's devastating bomb blast in Peshawar's People's Market say it was so powerful that the entire area was in darkness because of the smoke.

All that could be heard were the cries of women and children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8330072.stm



Peshawar blast victim relives horror

Adnan says all he can think about is "that terrible day"
Adnan Hussain, aged 14, lost all of his immediate family in the market place explosion in Peshawar earlier this week - the biggest bombing in the recent string of militant attacks in Pakistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8337119.stm

[Me Ed]

Civilians killed in Afghan blast

At last eight civilians have been killed when a roadside bomb hit their vehicle in eastern Afghanistan, officials say.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8333259.stm

[Linichka]

So many "martyrs" blowing themselves up for the religion of peace must find Allah experiencing a shortage of virgins for rewarding his brave warriors. By now, they must be receiving virgin rabbits. Ah well, maybe they'll appreciate a change from goats and donkeys.

[Floda]

So many "martyrs" blowing themselves up for the religion of peace must find Allah experiencing a shortage of virgins for rewarding his brave warriors. By now, they must be receiving virgin rabbits. Ah well, maybe they'll appreciate a change from goats and donkeys.

Such compelling condemnation of every action which takes the lives of the innocent whenever a 'Suicide Bomber' demonstrates his/her determination (at the cost of his /her own life) to resist oppression.

YET.

Not one protest at the murderous actions of the American, British and Israeli military forces which have (and are) slaughtered (slaughtering) many thousands MORE of the innocent in their campaigns of violence against those who do not wish to adopt their decadent ideologies.

How base of members to constantly ridicule the superior tenets of those who only seek to follow their traditions without the unlawful interference of society's which have only military might to commend their existence.

How significant that the tenets of Islam has seen such growth in recent years and YES, there are many thousands among THOSE faithful who are prepared to sacrifice their lives in order to resist oppression, at least (in death) they have a dignity (according to their beliefs) that WE of the West can NEVER achieve.

I wonder how many members (particularly among the most vociferous) would have the courage to sacrifice THEIR lives for that which they believe in.

Without being 'Ordered' to of course.

[Free Spirit]

So many "martyrs" blowing themselves up for the religion of peace must find Allah experiencing a shortage of virgins for rewarding his brave warriors. By now, they must be receiving virgin rabbits. Ah well, maybe they'll appreciate a change from goats and donkeys.

They've thrown in a few sheep, god knows how they went on in Glasgow for the Muslim airport bombers, you couldn't find 72 virgins older than 12 years in the whole of the city.

[Simon]

So many "martyrs" blowing themselves up for the religion of peace must find Allah experiencing a shortage of virgins for rewarding his brave warriors. By now, they must be receiving virgin rabbits. Ah well, maybe they'll appreciate a change from goats and donkeys.

Such compelling condemnation of every action which takes the lives of the innocent whenever a 'Suicide Bomber' demonstrates his/her determination (at the cost of his /her own life) to resist oppression.

YET.

Not one protest at the murderous actions of the American, British and Israeli military forces which have (and are) slaughtered (slaughtering) many thousands MORE of the innocent in their campaigns of violence against those who do not wish to adopt their decadent ideologies.

How base of members to constantly ridicule the superior tenets of those who only seek to follow their traditions without the unlawful interference of society's which have only military might to commend their existence.

How significant that the tenets of Islam has seen such growth in recent years and YES, there are many thousands among THOSE faithful who are prepared to sacrifice their lives in order to resist oppression, at least (in death) they have a dignity (according to their beliefs) that WE of the West can NEVER achieve.

I wonder how many members (particularly among the most vociferous) would have the courage to sacrifice THEIR lives for that which they believe in.

Without being 'Ordered' to of course.

I really do not wish to enter into a long drawn out debate with you on this, but I am compelled to reply, as quite frankly I am dismayed by the content of your post. A very eloquent writer you are, but I am afraid severely lacking in many other departments (in my humble opinion of course ). Let us take each of your paragraphs in turn:

Such compelling condemnation of every action which takes the lives of the innocent whenever a 'Suicide Bomber' demonstrates his/her determination (at the cost of his /her own life) to resist oppression.

Firstly, many suicide bombers are/were not blowing themselves up to resist the occupation (or 'oppression'), especially in Iraq. Even the vast majority of the British troops that are dying in Helmand for instance are killed by IEDs. Most of these suicide bombers (especially in Iraq) were actually blowing themselves up in markets filled with women and children, areas packed with civilians, even mosques, in revenge attacks on certain religious communities or rival tribes. It is a type of power struggle with the intention of destabilising the country.

Furthermore, the Taliban are not liked nor supported by most in Afghanistan. This is not a case of ISAF occupying Afghanistan and the majority of Afghans resisting, it is a case of the Taliban (a brutal oppressive regime) trying to regain power in Afghanistan, and the average Afghan does not know who to put his or her trust in, for fear of later reprisals if he or she chooses the wrong side. Therefore, your black and white over simplistic view of invader/resister is a little unsophisticated and jejune.

Not one protest at the murderous actions of the American, British and Israeli military forces which have (and are) slaughtered (slaughtering) many thousands MORE of the innocent in their campaigns of violence against those who do not wish to adopt their decadent ideologies.

I must say, that I have yet to read you condemn or protest at the evil deeds of the suicide bombers, rather you apparently support their struggle, and continuously condemn the British, Americans and Israelis, so you can hardly accuse others of one-sided posts. You refer to the West's decadent ideologies, without any mention of the reprehensible and malevolent dogma of those they face.

How base of members to constantly ridicule the superior tenets of those who only seek to follow their traditions without the unlawful interference of society's which have only military might to commend their existence.

This is where your post borders on the ridiculous if I may say so. Superior tenets? Of the Taliban? Or perhaps we should broaden this to fundamentalist Islamic states in general, like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Syria etc. Let's take the Taliban, a regime which does not believe women should be allowed to drive or even be educated at all? That believes limbs should be amputated for crimes not all that serious, such as petty theft? That believes a man should be able to starve his wife if she refuses sex? That support the actions and aims of Al Qaeda? That would allow training camps for people to become terrorists and kill innocent civilians intentionally? That does not believe in democracy, free speech, the rule of law, human rights, or any other civil code of conduct for that matter? That believes a woman's word is worth only one quarter of that of a man, and would therefore need four male witnesses to prove any claim of rape, otherwise she should be stoned for committing adultery? Now I am not for a single second suggesting the West is perfect, far from it, but to argue the Taliban, or other states that impose strict Sharia law, have 'superior tenets' to the West is quite frankly absurd, and is a sad reflection on your own personality.

How significant that the tenets of Islam has seen such growth in recent years and YES, there are many thousands among THOSE faithful who are prepared to sacrifice their lives in order to resist oppression, at least (in death) they have a dignity (according to their beliefs) that WE of the West can NEVER achieve.

Islam is growing at such a pace because of the higher birth rates amongst Muslims due to a lack of birth control, the fact is more people are actually converting to Christianity than Islam. Not that this really matters, because the size of a religion is not necessarily indicative of its "superior tenets" as you would perhaps like to believe. If it were so, Buddhism would have many more followers than what it currently does.

Further, why can't we in the West achieve dignity in our sacrifice I wonder? All those British and American men (and women) killed have no dignity in your eyes? I wonder why. Your views are typical of an Al Qaeda sympathising West hater. It comes through in every one of your posts. No doubt that you believe because your views differ from the mainstream, somehow you are a superior being, who has attained a higher level of intelligence which the masses of Sun and Star readers can never muster. Unfortunately, the truth is rather different, for you are no more enlightened than they are, because you are blinded by arrogance (IMHO of course ).

I ask you, if the West is so bad, why don't you live in one of these superior Muslim countries where a woman is not allowed outside her home without a male accompanying her, I am sure you would be much more contented with such "superior tenets". You never know your luck, perhaps you could even muster the courage to receive your 72 virgins, and ensure that the ISAF's task is just that little more arduous.

I wonder how many members (particularly among the most vociferous) would have the courage to sacrifice THEIR lives for that which they believe in.

What makes you think you have the right or insight to challenge any member's courage or dignity, especially when you hardly know any of them. Many countries in the West have proven their courage over many years, with people fighting valiant causes and sacrificing their lives, struggling for a cause far more nobler than the forced subservience to Sharia law, which is what the Taliban are aiming for.

Without being 'Ordered' to of course. :wink

Britain and the US have fully professional armed forces. No member is forced to join, and every member understands the possibility of going to war. Their sacrifice is voluntary, and for you to play these peoples' achievements down is quite aversive.

[Paphitis]

So many "martyrs" blowing themselves up for the religion of peace must find Allah experiencing a shortage of virgins for rewarding his brave warriors. By now, they must be receiving virgin rabbits. Ah well, maybe they'll appreciate a change from goats and donkeys.

Such compelling condemnation of every action which takes the lives of the innocent whenever a 'Suicide Bomber' demonstrates his/her determination (at the cost of his /her own life) to resist oppression.

YET.

Not one protest at the murderous actions of the American, British and Israeli military forces which have (and are) slaughtered (slaughtering) many thousands MORE of the innocent in their campaigns of violence against those who do not wish to adopt their decadent ideologies.

How base of members to constantly ridicule the superior tenets of those who only seek to follow their traditions without the unlawful interference of society's which have only military might to commend their existence.

How significant that the tenets of Islam has seen such growth in recent years and YES, there are many thousands among THOSE faithful who are prepared to sacrifice their lives in order to resist oppression, at least (in death) they have a dignity (according to their beliefs) that WE of the West can NEVER achieve.

I wonder how many members (particularly among the most vociferous) would have the courage to sacrifice THEIR lives for that which they believe in.

Without being 'Ordered' to of course.

I really do not wish to enter into a long drawn out debate with you on this, but I am compelled to reply, as quite frankly I am dismayed by the content of your post. A very eloquent writer you are, but I am afraid severely lacking in many other departments (in my humble opinion of course ). Let us take each of your paragraphs in turn:

Such compelling condemnation of every action which takes the lives of the innocent whenever a 'Suicide Bomber' demonstrates his/her determination (at the cost of his /her own life) to resist oppression.

Firstly, many suicide bombers are not blowing themselves up to resist the occupation at all. The vast majority of the British troops that are dying in Helmand for instance are killed by IEDs. Most of these suicide bombers are actually blowing themselves up in markets, areas packed with civilians, markets filled with women and children, even mosques, in revenge attacks on certain religious communities or rival tribes. A similar course of events occurred in Iraq. It is a kind of power struggle with the intention to destabilise the country. Furthermore, the Taliban are not liked nor supported in Afghanistan. This is not a case of ISAF occupying Afghanistan and the Afghans resisting, it is a case of the Taliban (a brutal oppressive regime) trying to regain power in Afghanistan, and the average Afghan does not know who to put his or her trust in, for fear of later reprisals if he or she chooses the wrong side.

Not one protest at the murderous actions of the American, British and Israeli military forces which have (and are) slaughtered (slaughtering) many thousands MORE of the innocent in their campaigns of violence against those who do not wish to adopt their decadent ideologies.

I must say, that I have yet to read you condemn or protest at the evil deeds of the suicide bombers, rather you apparently support their struggle, and continuously condemn the British, Americans and Israelis, so you can hardly accuse others of one-sided posts. You refer to the West's decadent ideologies, without any mention of the reprehensible and malevolent dogma of those they face.

How base of members to constantly ridicule the superior tenets of those who only seek to follow their traditions without the unlawful interference of society's which have only military might to commend their existence.

This is where your post borders on the ridiculous if I may say so. Superior tenets? Of the Taliban? Or perhaps we should broaden this to fundamentalist Islamic states in general, like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Syria etc. Let's take the Taliban, a regime which does not believe women should be allowed to drive or even be educated at all? That believes limbs should be amputated for crimes not all that serious, such as petty theft? That believes a man should be able to starve his wife if she refuses sex? That support the actions and aims of Al Qaeda? That would allow training camps for people to become terrorists and kill innocent civilians intentionally? That does not believe in democracy, free speech, the rule of law, human rights, or any other civil code of conduct for that matter? That believes a woman's word is worth only one quarter of that of a man, and would therefore need four male witnesses to prove any claim of rape, otherwise she should be stoned for committing adultery? Now I am not for a single second suggesting the West is perfect, far from it, but to argue the Taliban, or other states that impose strict Sharia law, has superior tenets to the West is quite frankly absurd, and is a sad reflection on your own personality.

How significant that the tenets of Islam has seen such growth in recent years and YES, there are many thousands among THOSE faithful who are prepared to sacrifice their lives in order to resist oppression, at least (in death) they have a dignity (according to their beliefs) that WE of the West can NEVER achieve.

Islam is growing at such a pace because of the higher birth rates amongst Muslims due to a lack of birth control, the fact is more people are actually converting to Christianity than Islam. Not that this really matters, because the size of a religion is not necessarily indicative of its "superior tenets" as you would perhaps like to believe. If it were so, Buddhism would have many more followers than what it currently does.

Further, why can't we in the West achieve dignity in our sacrifice I wonder? All those British and American men (and women) killed have no dignity in your eyes? I wonder why. Your views are typical of an Al Qaeda sympathising West hater. It comes through in every one of your posts. No doubt that you believe because your views differ from the mainstream, somehow you are a superior being, who has attained a higher level of intelligence which the masses of Sun and Star readers can never muster. Unfortunately, the truth is rather different, for you are no more enlightened than they are, because you are blinded by arrogance (IMHO of course ).

I ask you, if the West is so bad, why don't you live in one of these superior Muslim countries where a woman is not allowed outside her home without a male accompanying her, I am sure you would be much more contented with such "superior tenets". You never know your luck, perhaps you could even muster the courage to receive your 72 virgins, and ensure that the ISAF's task is just that little more arduous.

I wonder how many members (particularly among the most vociferous) would have the courage to sacrifice THEIR lives for that which they believe in.

What makes you think you have the right or insight to challenge any member's courage or dignity, especially when you hardly know any of them. Many countries in the West have proven their courage over many years, fighting valiant causes and sacrificing their lives, struggling for a cause far more nobler than the forced subservience to Sharia law, which is what the Taliban are aiming for.

Without being 'Ordered' to of course. :wink

Britain and the US have fully professional armed forces. No member is forced to join, and every member understands the possibility of going to war. Their sacrifice is voluntary, and for you to play these peoples' achievements down is quite aversive.

Excellent post Simon.

What a breath of fresh air your post was. But I feel you are wasting your energy.

[repulsewarrior]

...i thank you too simon, cheers.

[Floda]

It was not my intention to cause dismay to any member, neither would I wish for my comments to be regarded as an indication that I am a supporter of those who are so often subjected to ridicule on account of their beliefs.

It would appear that the subject of 'Virgins' is a source of great amusement to those who wish to attack the integrity of 'Islam' which I consider quite offensive even though I am NOT of the faith.

Whatever peculiarities or deficiencies a person 'outside' the faith of Islam may perceive, it does not give them the right to ridicule those within the faith, nor does it entitle them to foist decadent beliefs upon them which, in my humble opinion, is the root cause of much of the conflict in the regions where the tenet's of Islam are THE accepted principles, where the West is viewed with disdain on account of the said decadence.

The actions of those that resist changes to their lifestyles and beliefs are, in my humble opinion, a matter entirely governed by their own ethics, the fact that they are at odds with (what they perceive to be) the decadent West, is a moot point.

Whatever conflicts occur among they who practise the faith of Islam, it should be left to them to discover and solve their differences, it should NOT be under the influence of a nation (or nations) which are considered to be morally inferior to their own.

Suicide bombings are a terrible consequence of what WE of the West have inflicted upon those nations which now practise such actions, perhaps a closer look at our OWN culture, might give us a clue as to WHY those Islamic nations seek to resist OUR influence with such ferocity.

Strange how it seems to be so obvious to me.